by patio34 180 Replies latest social current
I don't have an issue with Moore's slanting issues to "fit his vision." What I have a problem with is him doing this under the guise of a documentary, and as "objective facts."
LABD, of the if I wanted slanted news I would watch (the 3 major networks & CNN) class
it irritated me that Moore seemed to be getting annoyed at the hard questions he was asked. He even commented on it. An interview on Dateline is very different from the couch on Leno. It's not just some Press Junket opportunity to promote your film. If you're going to make a political film be prepared to answer the political questions.
Chevys,
I think that is a good point and I agree, he should be of the mindframe to answer political questions. And just so that Big Dawg and Yeru aren't dissapointed...I see some of the annoying things about Moore which Chevys has pointed out so well. I don't think that everything that Moore said is gospel, but he does raise some interesting and disturbing points about our government.
I for one welcome any light that could be shed on any inaccuracys in Michael Moore's films. However, it would be appreciated if the dissenters would present some meat and potatoes (erroneous conclusions or out and out lies) instead of just minor inconsistencies (eg: the bank/waiting period issue).
exjdub
He distorts the facts. He is a liberal version of Rush. Both are utter crapheads.
I said almost exactly the same thing on another thread. Ironically, The Rush/Mike Savage Fans did'nt seem to get offended about the comparison to their radio heroes. However, the michael moore fans were generally pissed and offended.
Regarding Rush and Moore. I hate any "craphead" who believes that their views are the difinitive last word. Plain and simple, I can see the comparison, because both are so staunch on being right.
Chevy of the "I dont care what I say about him, I still like Moore" class :)
Avi,
Maybe, because, they are looking to be offended?
LABD, of the offend me and die class.
You really CAN'T Compare the two, while both are entertainers, the forum they use is entirely different, as is the format. However, do a fact/lie/obfuscation comparison and see what happens.
What evidence of "intellectual depths"..........
T he publicity blitz has begun in earnest for Michael Moore's Fahrenheit 9/11 opening at theaters across the country Friday (June 25). The documentary, which won Best Picture at the 2004 Cannes Film Festival, received a 70-second standing ovation when it was screened for a star-studded audience earlier this month in Los Angeles. Afterwards, Rob Reiner ? the noted actor, director, and former Meathead ? gushed: "I think this is one of the most important films ever made. It has the potential of actually affecting the election, and if it does, it will change the world." That potential, according to Reiner, ranks the film alongside Uncle Tom's Cabin and I am a Fugitive from a Chain Gang.
Even though Moore's current status ultimately says more about the impoverished state of liberal thought than it does about Moore himself, it's nevertheless worth spending a moment tracing the way his mind actually works. This involves a kind of cognitive spelunking, a slow, steady descent into a dark, dank, drafty abyss. It cannot be that the man is an idiot, in the clinical sense; his conspiracy theorizing demonstrates genuine inventiveness, his previous films exhibit a rudimentary sense of irony, and the nervous laughter that punctuates his interviews indicates a marginal awareness that he might be making an a** of himself.
If we rule out idiocy as an explanatory factor, however, how do we account for Moore's theory, first described in his book Dude, Where's My Country?, that George Bush was somehow implicated in the attacks of September 11, 2001? As evidence, he cites the fact that Bush took off in Air Force One after he received word that a second plane had struck the World Trade Center? "Any dunderhead knew," Moore writes, "that if hijacked planes are being used as missiles, the last place you wanna be is up there flying around."
What exactly is he suggesting? That American fighter pilots might accidentally shoot down Air Force One? That a hijacked airliner was likely to be used to ram the president's plane?
Elsewhere in the book, Moore blithely states that average Israelis, "know they are wrong, and...would be doing just what the Palestinians are doing if the sandal were on the other foot." Missing from Dude, however, is Moore's notorious remark during a London stage performance that the 9/11 hijackers would not have succeeded in taking over the planes with mere knives and box-cutters if only more black passengers had been on board to confront them.
I juxtapose the two assertions not only because there's not a shred of evidence to support either of them, but also because they're logically irreconcilable. If Moore is certain that Israelis, under conditions of equal stress, would respond with acts of animalistic bloodlust to match those perpetrated by Palestinians, he must be relying on the premise that, deep down, people of different cultures and ethnicities react to desperate situations in the roughly comparable ways. But if that's true, then how can Moore also believe that black passengers would fight back against terrorist hijackers with greater courage and greater success than white passengers ? a conclusion premised on the idea of innate racial differences?
As Moore is hailed by the liberal press in the coming weeks as a champion of the effort to unseat President Bush, and as he's embraced by mainstream figures within the Democratic party, he will inadvertently provide evidence of the intellectual depths to which the political Left has sunk.
That, in the final analysis, is Moore's special contribution to electoral politics.
? Mark Goldblatt is the author of Africa Speaks.
he cites the fact that Bush took off in Air Force One after he received word that a second plane had struck the World Trade Center? "Any dunderhead knew," Moore writes, "that if hijacked planes are being used as missiles, the last place you wanna be is up there flying around."
average Israelis, "know they are wrong, and...would be doing just what the Palestinians are doing if the sandal were on the other foot." Missing from Dude, however, is Moore's notorious remark during a London stage performance that the 9/11 hijackers would not have succeeded in taking over the planes with mere knives and box-cutters if only more black passengers had been on board to confront them.
Richie,
Michael Moore may be an a$$, or at least say stupid things from time to time, but is that the best you have? where's the beef? Where are the lies? Where are the meat and potatoes? If the conservatives would stop using smoke and mirrors to try and discredit Moore they might get farther. Is it true that Bush kept reading to school children while the Trade Centers were under attack? Yes. Did the Bush administration fly all of the Bin Ladens out of the country without questioning them? Yes. Come on...do you really care about Moore's comments about the Isrealis, or black people on airplanes, or Bush on Air Force One? Are those things really what scare you?
exjdub
I'd like to see a Moore vs Limbaugh Ultimate Fighting Championship match. That would be funny :)
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