Why I May Vote for Kerry

by roybatty 61 Replies latest jw friends

  • Crazy151drinker
    Crazy151drinker

    *Edited because I couldnt make any more posts! HAH!*

    My dearest Corvin and other lefties- You did not address the issue of your purchases. Do you only buy American goods?

    The lefties here have the exact same views as stage coach owners when Trains started to appear. "ohhh my! Those darn Trains can carry more people and goods and its Cheaper! It will ruin us all! We need to STOP allowing trains! We must protect the Stage Coaches!"

    And what about oil lamp manufacterers? "Ahhh that Damn Electricity is going to put me out of business!"

    And Mr. Nice Seatlle guy- How many people lost their jobs in the 80's and 90's due to computer technology and software developed in Seattle??

    Royal- How many $25 machinists lost their jobs when CAD software (developed by the lefties in Seattle) became wide spread?

    Progess can be such a bitch.

    I presume once again that no one on this board buys anything from China..........

  • Corvin
    Corvin
    I just love how the left screams about the lower class and the poor- but yet it only applies for the poor in this country *lol*. Ohhh Youre poor and you live in China?? Too bad! Youre stealing our jobs! You can starve!

    151, it goes without saying that this country should take care of itself, and the Chinese government should do for its people. You are making absolutely no sense.

    Liberals are nothing but Closet Isolationists who in reality are VERY CONSERVATIVE because they dont want anyone to change their Middle Class status quo. "I dont want to go back to school and get educated. I have my Union job that pays me $25 an hour to bag groceries". PATHETIC. "Learn new technology? I cant even program my remote! Lets blame Bush for my stupidity! He's taking our Jobs!"

    I am going to get my account suspended for this, but here goes.

    [edited- to delete the ass-reeming of 151 so richly deserves due to calming down and realizing he is about 1/2 the way through a quart and not worth it]

    Corvin

  • seattleniceguy
    seattleniceguy
    Liberals are nothing but Closet Isolationists who in reality are VERY CONSERVATIVE because they dont want anyone to change their Middle Class status quo. "I dont want to go back to school and get educated. I have my Union job that pays me $25 an hour to bag groceries". PATHETIC. "Learn new technology? I cant even program my remote! Lets blame Bush for my stupidity! He's taking our Jobs!"

    151, I can guarantee you that being afraid of changing my "Middle Class status quo" has absolutely nothing to do with my views. And your insinuation that liberals are uneducated and unmotivated is a generalization that rings absolutely false. Seattle is a very liberal town, and it's also very educated. A recent survey found that 50% of adults here have bachelor's degrees or higher. These are not people who are afraid to learn or change. They are people who are concerned with the issues and find a liberal-leaning viewpoint fits them the best.

    With regard to offshoring of jobs, I work in the high tech industry, but I'm not up in arms on this. This is the simple action of market economics. India has a ton of smart people willing to work much less expensively than we can, so it would be silly for companies like Microsoft not to consider moving some work there. I agree with Kerry's stand that, while we cannot become isolationist, we should give companies incentives to keep work here. But we are a very rich nation, and less developed nations will be able to capitalize on the differences between costs of business for some time. Ultimately, I think an equalizing will occur, as these nations become more developed, with economies on par with the developed world. We definitely need moderation in our governance to get through these growing pains.

    Anyway. That's my take.

    SNG

  • patio34
    patio34
    Liberals are nothing but Closet Isolationists who in reality are VERY CONSERVATIVE because they dont want anyone to change their Middle Class status quo. "I dont want to go back to school and get educated. I have my Union job that pays me $25 an hour to bag groceries". PATHETIC. "Learn new technology? I cant even program my remote! Lets blame Bush for my stupidity! He's taking our Jobs!" ----------Crazy 151

    An interesting irony, imo, is that the right claims that the media is liberal or leftist, that academia (professors) is liberal, and that some of the judiciary are liberal (changing laws for gay marriages, etc.).

    How is it that such a lazy bunch of blue-collars control so much of society, lol?

    Pat

  • Xander
    Xander
    Why does his holdings in Heinz Corporation reflect his mantra? Heinz is one of the biggest offenders... They are the worse offenders....here is why......

    Ah, ThiChi, good to see you haven't changed. If you had actually started researching your positions instead of spouting off neocon propaganda....well, I might get worried!

    In

    1995, Senator John Kerry of Massachusetts wed Teresa Heinz, whom he first met at an Earth Day rally in 1990. Born Heinz Teresa Simões-Ferreira in Mozambique to Portuguese parents, Mrs. Kerry was previously married for 25 years to Henry John Heinz III , who was a member of the founding family of the H.J. Heinz Company and represented Pennsylvania for twenty years in both the U.S. House of Representatives and the Senate prior to his death in a plane crash in 1991. Mrs. Kerry inherited a Heinz family fortune estimated at over $500 million.

    Although Senator Kerry has been critical of the Bush administration for rewarding "Benedict Arnold CEOs" who move "profits and jobs overseas," the above-quoted attempt to link Kerry (through his wife) with the very outsourcing he decries is flawed in two major ways. First off, Teresa Heinz Kerry does not "own the Heinz Corporation" ? she has no involvement whatsoever with the management or operations of the H.J. Heinz Company, nor does she own anything close to a controlling interest of the company's stock. According to Heinz itself, the Heinz family trust which Mrs. Kerry inherited sold most of its shares of Heinz stock back in 1995 and currently holds less than a 4% interest in the company:
    Neither Mrs. Heinz Kerry nor Senator Kerry nor any of the Heinz trusts or endowments ? either individually or collectively ? holds a significant percentage of shares of the H.J. Heinz Company. In 1995 the Heinz Endowments and family trusts sold a large percentage of Heinz shares in a secondary share offering to diversify their holdings. As a result, their current holdings are under 4 percent.

    There is no connection between any philanthropic programs of the H.J. Heinz Company and its Foundation and the Heinz family interests (including the Howard Heinz Endowment, the Vira Heinz Endowment, and the Heinz Family Philanthropies).

    (A 4% stake in a company as large as Heinz still represents a considerable amount of money, but it isn't nearly large enough a share to give the holder any significant control or influence over the company's business decisions.)

    Moreover, the Heinz Company's operations are not an example of the type of outsourcing that is currently a hot political issue (i.e., sending out work to offshore companies to provide services which a company might otherwise have employed its own staff to perform). Heinz is a U.S.-based global business which sells its products in dozens of other countries, and like other food companies it has to localize some of its production at factories located in its foreign market areas. (It makes little sense from either an economic or a freshness standpoint to be shipping fruits and vegetables and/or finished food products halfway around the world rather than producing them locally.) One wouldn't expect, for example, every can and bottle of Coca-Cola sold anywhere in the world ? whether it be Australia, China, or Portugal ? to be produced by U.S. bottlers.)

    As the H.J. Heinz Company notes, well over half its sales come from foreign markets, and it therefore operates overseas facilities to serve those markets:

    Currently, 60% of the sales of the H.J. Heinz Company are outside the United States and to accommodate those customers by providing facilities closer to those markets, the company maintains a number of overseas facilities that provide products for consumers in those markets. This allows Heinz to pack the freshest ingredients, tailor its recipes to local tastes and deliver the finished products in a timely and efficient manner. In the United States, Heinz makes its flagship ketchup in factories in Fremont, Ohio; Muscatine, Iowa; and Stockton, California.

  • roybatty
    roybatty
    Ultimately, I think an equalizing will occur, as these nations become more developed, with economies on par with the developed world. We definitely need moderation in our governance to get through these growing pains.

    Very true. I've seen this first-hand with the plastics industry. In the 1980's, Portugal was the "cheap" country to get precision injection molds (for high-tech plastic parts like cell phone housings, medical parts, etc). Them as they got better and better they realized "hey, we want to make more money like our American counterparts." So they became more expensive. Companies then shifted the work to the next cheap place, Taiwan. In the 1990's this was the place to go. Same thing happened so now the new place to go is China. One problem. Portugal and Taiwan have a relatively small labor pool. China doesn't. If factory workers deman more money, there are plenty of people to pull from farms, re-train them and place them into factories (which more closely resemble labor camps).

    Also, one big difference I see between China and other countries is that they want to become the manufacturing powerhouse of the world. Mexico, Taiwan, etc. were happy manufacturing OUR stuff. China wants to learn how we develop items and from this, manufacture everything themselves. I don't blame them, just tired of corporations being rewarding for indirectly helping the Chinese become the world's top dog because they see the almighty $$$$.

  • patio34
    patio34

    Thanks so much Xander for posting that. It's good to know the defense for that particular attack.

    Pat

  • roybatty
    roybatty
    I have my Union job that pays me $25 an hour to bag groceries".

    How about the $25.00 an hour tool & die maker who's out of work because our government thinks it's ok to reward companies for moving manufacturing jobs to China? Funny thing is, this has been going on for years now. It wasn't until "white-collar" jobs started leaving did some people sit up and take notice. Doesn't it worry anyone else that so many of our defense contractors rely upon overseas many factory? God forbid if we ever went to war with China, we'd need to ask them to make our bullet and tanks and airplanes for us.

    And to give you an idea of what many $25.00 an hour blue collar guys do, look at the pic below. Could you build this?

  • exjdub
    exjdub

    I wish that I had something to add...I am just enjoying the arguments by roybatty, Lewis, seattleniceguy, Corvin, Patio, Chevys and xander (if I have missed anyone, I didn't mean to). Thanks for the reasonable and clear arguments gang.

    exjdub (who doesn't understand why the Republicans have so much anger...it's just politics.)

  • ThiChi
    ThiChi

    Need we say more?

    Kerry:

    Abortion

    Oct 11, 1972: ?I think the question of abortion is one that should be left for the states to decide,? Kerry said during his failed 1972 Congressional bid. (?John Kerry On The Issues,? The [Lowell, MA] Sun, 10/11/72)

    During the same interview: "It's a tragic day in the lives of everybody when abortion is looked on as an alternative to birth control or as an alternative to having a child. I think that's wrong. It should be the very last thing if it has to be anything, and I say that not just because I'm opposed to abortion but because I think that's common sense."

    Jun 7, 2003: "The Republicans want to criminalize the right of women to choose, take us back to the days of back alleys, gag doctors and deny families the right to plan and be aware of their choices - we Democrats want to protect the constitutional right of privacy and make clear that at the center of this struggle is our commitment to have a Supreme Court that will protect the equal rights, the civil rights, and the right to choose in this nation." Keynote Speech to Massachusetts Democratic Issues Convention Jun 7, 2003

    Jun 20, 2003: "I am prepared to filibuster, if necessary, any Supreme Court nominee who would turn back the clock on a woman's right to choose..." FoxNews

    Nov 7, 2003: Do you support the ban on partial-birth abortions recently signed into law? "I don't support the President's law because it doesn't allow the exception for situations where the health of the woman is at risk. I believe this is a dangerous effort to undermine a woman's right to choose, which is a constitutional amendment I will always fight to protect. " Concord Monitor / WashingtonPost.com on-line Q&A (top)

    Civil Rights

    Nov 5, 2003: "I have always fought for the right of people to be able to be treated equally in America. Long before there was a television show or a march in Washington. In 1985, I was the sole sponsor of the Civil Rights Act to make sure we enforced that in America. I am for partnership rights. I am for civil union. I am for the Employment Non-Discrimination Act. I am for the hate crimes legislation" Democratic Debate

    Jan 25, 2004: "Our country is defined by the rights we protect, and those of us who fought for freedom and put our lives on the line defended the right of people to do things that we disagree with. I would not be pleased to see someone burning the flag because I love the flag, but the Constitution that I fought for preserves the right of free expression." Associated Press policy Q&A (top)

    Crime

    Jan 25, 2004: "I oppose the death penalty other than in cases of real international and domestic terrorism." Associated Press policy Q&A, "Death Penalty" Jan 25, 2004 (top)

    Cuba

    Mar 14, 2004: "I'm pretty tough on Castro, because I think he's running one of the last vestiges of a Stalinist secret police government in the world." "And I voted for the Helms-Burton legislation to be tough on companies that deal with him." Umm OOPSIE He voted AGAINST this legislation. You think maybe Cuba is one of JFK's Supporters???? Caught in yet another little fib while pandering for votes.... newsmax

    Economy

    Dec 3, 2002: "And to encourage investments in the jobs of the future - I think we should eliminate the tax on capital gains for investments in critical technology companies - zero capital gains on $100 million issuance of stock if it's held for five years and has created real jobs -- and we should attempt to end the double taxation of dividends." City Club of Cleveland Speech

    Oct 27, 2003: "I'm going to do what Clinton did. I'm going to cut the deficit in half in the first four years. Clinton's plan was to balance the budget in 10 years, not the five Governor Dean says. The reason we decided not to do it in five was because it required extraordinary cuts in the things we just talked about doing investing in the city of Detroit, investing in our schools, investing in health care, making our economy move. " Democratic Presidential 2004 Primary Debate in Detroit

    Jan 11, 2004: Do you agree that the economy is recovering? "It's a recovery for the people in the corporate boardroom. It's a recovery for corporations, to some degree, by compacting, by increasing productivity. But if you go across America, it's not a recovery This recovery is a recovery for those people who have stock. It's a recovery for those people who are able to walk away with the highest salaries. But workers have only seen a three-cents-an-hour increase in their wages." Iowa Brown and Black Presidential Forum (top)

    Apr 7, 2004: ?I have showed exactly where my money comes from, I have showed exactly how much it has cost and I have promised to pay as you go and to lower the deficit in half in four years.? Kerry proposes $1.9 trillion in new spending over the next ten years, but his proposal to raise income taxes for the top bracket, bring back the death tax, and close ?corporate loopholes? would only raise $658 billion, leaving a $1.25 trillion gap. (FoxNews? ?Your World With Neil Cavuto?)

    Energy & Environment

    Jan 22, 2002: The following contradictions occur in the same speech on the senate floor:

    "America take note: if we enact the entire Bush energy plan we will find ourselves twenty years from now more dependent on foreign oil -- than we are today." blah blah blah and then: "...we must enter this debate understanding that for 30-50 years in the future, like it or not, we will continue to have major dependency on fossil fuels."

    "During the 1970s, America created the Corporate Average Fuel Economy -- or CAFE -- program to increase auto efficiency. This was the right decision." blah blah blah and then

    "our vehicle fuel efficiency is worse now than it has been in twenty years."

    Apr 18, 2004: While on "60 minutes", Kerry claimed that President Bush and Saudi Prince Bandar had a "secret White House deal" on manipulating gasoline prices "tied to the election." "Unlike George Bush and his friends at the big oil companies, I'm going to work for a real energy policy for this country that decreases America's dependence on foreign oil and helps lower the costs to American families,". newsmax

    "President Clinton asked us to keep the prices down in the year 2000," Bin Sultan told CNN's "Larry King Live," responding to a claim by Washington Post reporter Bob Woodward that the Bush administration made a similar request this year.

    Bin Sultan said President Carter also made a request for lower oil prices to save his reelection bid in 1979, explaining that he did so "to avoid the [US's economic] malaise."

    Apr 21, 2004: "Being responsible about the environment is not some goo-goo, do-gooder, silly notion that you embrace once a year on Earth Day," railed Kerry to a Florida crowd. "It's important to life itself." Interesting statement coming from JFK, since he & his mega-rich wife own a gas guzzling private jet, an energy-eating power yacht, owns five mansions that consume thousands of gallons of oil to heat and cool - and keep a fleet of SUVs running night-and-day outside their Beacon Hill mansion. newsmax (top)

    Farming

    Jan 6, 1996: "I think we can reduce the size of Washington," Kerry said. "Get rid of the Energy Department. Get rid of the Agriculture Department, or at least render it three-quarters the size it is today; there are more agriculture bureaucrats than there are farmers in this country." Washington Times, Jan 16 2004 (top)

    Government and Politics

    Feb 18, 1970: ?I?m an internationalist. ?I?d like to see our troops dispersed through the world only at the directive of the United Nations.?

    He wanted ?to almost eliminate CIA activity." The Harvard Crimson

    "Our democracy is a farce; it is not the best in the world." 1971

    Jan 30, 1992" (in regards to the Clinton presidential campaign) " I am saddened by the fact that Vietnam has yet again been inserted into the campaign, and that it has been inserted in what I feel to be the worst possible way. By that I mean that yesterday, during this Presidential campaign, and even throughout recent times, Vietnam has been discussed and written about without an adequate statement of its full meaning." blah blah blah "We do not need to divide America over who served and how. I have personally always believed that many served in many different ways. Someone who was deeply against the war in 1969 or 1970 may well have served their country with equal passion and patriotism by opposing the war as by fighting in it. Are we now, 20 years or 30 years later, to forget the difficulties of that time, of families that were literally torn apart, of brothers who ceased to talk to brothers, of fathers who disowned their sons, of people who felt compelled to leave the country and forget their own future and turn against the will of their own aspirations?" congressional record

    May 15, 1996: "So you can look at all the potential threats of the world, and when you add the expenditures of all of our allies to the United States of America, you have to stop and say to yourself, 'What is it that we are really preparing for in a post-cold-war world?'" Congressional Record, p. S5061 Ummm I give up! For DEFENSE, maybe???? And this complaint was right in the midst of enormous reductions of our nations military.....

    Jan 6, 1996: "I think we can reduce the size of Washington." "Get rid of the Energy Department. Get rid of the Agriculture Department, or at least render it three-quarters the size it is today; there are more agriculture bureaucrats than there are farmers in this country." Washington Times

    Apr 3, 2003: "What we need now is not just a regime change in Saddam Hussein and Iraq, but we need a regime change in the United States" Boston Globe This comment was made less than a month after saying: "If America is at war, I won't speak a word without measuring how it'll sound to the guys doing the fighting when they're listening to their radios in the desert."

    Jan 28, 2004: ?I have a message for the influence peddlers, for the polluters, the HMOs, the big drug companies, that get in the way, the big oil and the special interests who now call the White House their home. We?re coming, you?re going, and don?t let the door hit you on the way out.? ?CNN Live,? 1/28/04

    Between 1985 And 1990, Kerry Accepted Over $120,000 In Special Interest Honoraria. ?Back when federal lawmakers legally could be paid for speaking to outside groups, John Kerry collected more than $120,000 in fees from interests as diverse as big oil, tobacco, the liquor lobby and unions, records show ? In 1985, Kerry?s freshman year in the Senate, he supplemented his $75,000 salary with $19,480 in speaking fees. The next year the fees grew to $22,725.? (John Solomon, ?Kerry Pocketed Speaking Fees,? The Associated Press, 2/9/04 )

    Kerry Accepted Thousands From Large Corporations Like Chevron, Paine Webber, J.P. Morgan, Goldman Sachs, Allied Signal And Textron For Speeches. ?For instance, oil giant Chevron paid him $2,000 in 1986 for participating in a round-table discussion. Large financial companies, among them Paine Webber, J.P. Morgan and Goldman Sachs, also paid to hear Kerry speak, as did the Chicago Board of Trade and defense contractors such as Allied Signal and Textron.? (John Solomon, ?Kerry Pocketed Speaking Fees,? The Associated Press, 2/9/04)

    ?Kerry Also Spoke For Pay To The National Restaurant Association ($1,000 In 1985), The National Association Of Independent Insurers ($1,000 In 1986), The American Bankers Association ($2,000 In 1986) And The National Association Of Manufacturers.? (John Solomon, ?Kerry Pocketed Speaking Fees,? The Associated Press, 2/9/04)

    Feb 1, 2004: "The only people that have contributed to my campaigns [for Senate] are individual Americans. Now are some of those individual Americas lobbyists? Yeah, sure." Responding to Dean's criticisms

    Feb 3, 2004: ?John Kerry has not taken a dime of PAC money during his four Senate elections or during his presidential race. PACs contribute a huge chunk of the money given to politics. Corporate PACs have given $1.2 billion to campaigns and parties since 1990. Not one dime has gone to John Kerry.? (Kerry Press Release, 2/3/04) < choke > Kerry Ranks 92nd Out Of The 100 Senators In Contributions From PACS And Lobbyists. I must quit reading these while drinking my coffee....

    Feb 29, 2004: In response to a question about his being labeled the most liberal senator, Kerry said: "Labels are so silly in American politics,"; he declined to say whether he considered himself a liberal. "I think it's the silliest thing I've ever heard." He said labels like that don't tell the whole story.

    He followed this comment about "labels" up with the following response to another question: "Is this president a legitimate Republican or conservative? Because there's nothing conservative about driving deficits up as far as the eye can see. There's nothing conservative about trampling on the line of division between church and state in America," he said.

    "This administration is extreme , and I believe we're offering America mainstream, American values." Hmm.. I guess if it's a negative label on a republican, it's exempt from his earlier statement..... Democratic Debate

    Mar 2, 2004: "[Ex-]President Clinton was often known as the first black president. I wouldn't be upset if I could earn the right to be the second" American Urban Radio Network

    Mar 8, 2004: "I've met foreign leaders who can't go out and say this publicly but, boy, they look at you and say, 'You've got to win this, you've got to beat this guy, we need a new policy' -- things like that" Interesting... since he has been on public view almost every day since he started running for president. Maybe someone remembers seeing him on European, Middle East or other foreign travel during that period. Maybe someone remembers seeing or reading about foreign heads of state meeting with him when they visited Washington during the last many months. NOT. Washington Times

    Mar 9, 2004: Kerry's campaign has already put together a legal response team that will research each specific voting precinct that had difficulty counting the votes in 2000. "We're going to pre-check it, we're going to have the legal team in place," Kerry explained. "We're going to take injunctions where necessary ahead of time. We'll pre-challenge if necessary." Send in the demoncratic lawyers! [ insert favorite lawyer joke here ] Anyone want to bet whether they attempt to block the votes from our overseas servicemen & women, like they did in Florida the last time around?? gopusa

    Mar 10, 2004: The republican critics are "the most crooked ... lying group I've ever seen." myway (Listen)

    Mar 11, 2004: "There is a Republican attack squad that specializes in trying to destroy people and be negative" I think he means "vast right-wing conspiracy".... Kerry, at Capitol, Slams Republican 'Attack Squad'

    Mar 19, 2004: After a secret service agent inadvertently moved into his path during a ski mishap in Idaho, Kerry was sent falling into the snow. When asked a moment later about the incident by a reporter on the ski run, Kerry said sharply, "I don't fall down," the "son of a bitch knocked me over." Another democrat that appreciates those that are there to protect him.... JFK, look in a mirror when you say something like that... Drudgereport Newsmax

    Apr 7, 2004: Talking about Gramm-Rudman, ?At that the time, I joined together with a group of reformers from both parties - like Republican Senator Warren Rudman and Democratic Senator Fritz Hollings - to push for a deficit reduction plan with real teeth. What we got was real grief from leaders in both parties - and by the early 90s, the deficit was increasing so fast that the debt clock would sometimes breakdown because it couldn?t keep up.? (Sen. John Kerry, Remarks At Georgetown University, Washington, DC)

    Feb 14, 1986: "Kerry told about a dozen Massachusetts mayors he voted for the Gramm-Rudman deficit reduction bill to force the Reagan administration to cut defense spending. ... Kerry refused to commit himself to saving any military program and lectured mayors on the poor economics of much defense spending." (Kevin Landrigan, "Kerry: Defense Bills Aren't Jobs Bills," The [Lowell, MA] Sun)

    Apr 16, 2004: "I'm tired of Karl Rove and Dick Cheney and a bunch of people who went out of their way to avoid their chance to serve when they had the chance," ... "I'm not going to listen to them talk to me about patriotism." yahoo Kerry's judgment in his voting record on defense and security are in question, not his patriotism. Cheney received a student and family deferment from military service, and Rove had a student deferment and later drew a low draft number but was never called.

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    His Background

    Vietnam: When I met him, he was wearing a shirt with a picture of his sailboat on it. I told him I had a small 27 feet sailboat in Okinawa, he remarked 'Oh I never sail on anything less than 135 feet'. I'm better than you are! nah nah nah. Hal Cranmer

    Mar 18, 1986: "For those of us who are fortunate to share an Irish ancestry, we take great pride in the contributions that Irish-Americans..." Senate floor statement

    "(John Kerry) has never indicated to anyone that he was Irish and corrected people over the years who assumed he was" -- Kerry spokeswoman Kelly Benander said in Feb, 2003

    Aug 27, 2002: Having been asked if he would ever considered getting a bigger car?" Kerry shoots back, "No, but I have thought about cutting all your fucking legs off at the knees." Yet another 'presidential caliber remark'. www.johnkerry.com

    Did you know that Kerry's License Plate for his 1985 Dodge is "Purple Heart 3". I've found that real hero's are rather soft-spoken about their deeds.... Interesting....

    Apr 4, 2004: "We have a separation of church and state in this country. As John Kennedy said very clearly, I will be a President who happens to be Catholic, not a Catholic President." Time Since a persons religious beliefs are a framework for their guiding principles, please tell me how you rectify your public positions with your 'catholic beliefs'? I know, I know, you're both FOR and AGAINST.... (top)

    Iraq War

    "Thank you for contacting me to express your opposition ... to the early use of military force by the US against Iraq. I share your concerns. On January 11, I voted in favor of a resolution that would have insisted that economic sanctions be given more time to work and against a resolution giving the president the immediate authority to go to war."

    letter from Senator John Kerry to Wallace Carter of Newton Centre, Massachusetts, dated January 22 [1991] A nd at the same time, he wrote this: "Thank you very much for contacting me to express your support for the actions of President Bush in response to the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait. From the outset of the invasion, I have strongly and unequivocally supported President Bush's response to the crisis and the policy goals he has established with our military deployment in the Persian Gulf." Senator Kerry to Wallace Carter, January 31 [1991]

    Nov 12, 1997: In response to a question about unanimity over a U.N. resolution, kerry responded: where's the backbone of Russia, where's the backbone of France, where are they in expressing their condemnation of such clearly illegal activity, but in a sense, they're now climbing into a box and they will have enormous difficulty not following up on this if there is not compliance by Iraq....It was disappointing a month ago not to have the French and the Russians understanding that they shouldn't give any signals of weakening on the sanctions and I think those signals would have helped bring about this crisis because they permitted Saddam Hussein to interpret that maybe the moment was right for him to make this challenge. crossfire

    Feb 23, 1998: "Saddam Hussein has already used these weapons and has made it clear that he has the intent to continue to try, by virtue of his duplicity and secrecy, to continue to do so. That is a threat to the stability of the Middle East. It is a threat with respect to the potential of terrorist activities on a global basis. It is a threat even to regions near but not exactly in the Middle East." The Disgrace of John Kerry by Kevin Willmann Saturday, April 05, 2003

    Oct 9, 1998: "We urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs." Letter to President Clinton, signed by Sens. Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, and others.

    Oct 10, 1998: "We know from our largely unsuccessful attempts to enlist the cooperation of other nations, especially industrialized trading nations, in efforts to impose and enforce somewhat more ambitious standards on nations such as Iran, China, Burma and Syria, that the willingness of most other nations ? including a number who are joined in the sanctions to isolate Iraq ? is neither wide nor deep to join in imposing sanctions on a sovereign nation to spur it to `clean up its act' and comport its actions with accepted international norms." Senate Floor Speech Try to figure out what he just said there!

    Sep 6, 2002: "If Saddam Hussein is unwilling to bend to the international community's already existing order, then he will have invited enforcement, even if that enforcement is mostly at the hands of the United States, a right we retain even if the Security Council fails to act." Op-Ed, "We Still Have A Choice On Iraq," The New York Times

    Oct 9, 2002: "I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force-- if necessary-- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security." Senate Speech

    Oct 9, 2002: "The threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real, but as I said, it is not new. It has been with us since the end of that war, and particularly in the last 4 years we know after Operation Desert Fox failed to force him to reaccept them, that he has continued to build those weapons. He has had a free hand for 4 years to reconstitute these weapons, allowing the world, during the interval, to lose the focus we had on weapons of mass destruction and the issue of proliferation."

    Oct 9, 2002: The Iraqi regime's record over the decade leaves little doubt that Saddam Hussein wants to retain his arsenal of weapons of mass destruction and to expand it to include nuclear weapons. We cannot allow him to prevail in that quest. johnkerry.com speeches (Thanks Scot!)

    Oct 9, 2002: "Regime change has been an American policy under the Clinton administration, and it is the current policy. I support the policy. But regime change in and of itself is not sufficient justification for going to war--particularly unilaterally--unless regime change is the only way to disarm Iraq of the weapons of mass destruction pursuant to the United Nations resolution." Speech on senate floor (Thanks Aaron)

    Jan 23, 2003: "Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real..."

    Sep 14, 2003: ?I don?t think anyone in the Congress is going to not give our troops ammunition, not give our troops the ability to be able to defend themselves. We?re not going to cut and run and not do the job.? (CBS? ?Face The Nation,?) (watch)

    Sep 14, 2003: ?I don?t think any United States senator is going to abandon our troops and recklessly leave Iraq to ? to whatever follows as a result of simply cutting and running. That?s irresponsible. What is responsible is for the administration to do this properly now.? (CBS? ?Face The Nation,?) (watch)

    Dec 2, 2003: Did I expect George Bush to fuck it up as badly as he did? I don't think anybody did. Now that's what I call presidential! www.johnkerry.com

    Dec 15, 2003: "Iraq may not be the war on terror itself, but it is critical to the outcome of the war on terror, and therefore any advance in Iraq is an advance forward in that..."

    Jan 30, 2004: "I think there has been an exaggeration," Mr. Kerry said when asked whether President Bush has overstated the threat of terrorism. "They are misleading all Americans in a profound way." washtims (Thanks Michael!)

    Mar 16, 2004: "I actually did vote for his $87 billion, before I voted against it." Newsmax (Listen) (Listen)

    Mar 17, 2004: "For a President, the decision may be lonely, but that does not mean that America should go it alone." (Remarks At George Washington University, Washington, DC)

    Apr 7, 2004: When speaking of terrorist Shiite imam Muqtada al-Sadr's newspaper, which was shut down by coalition forces last week after it urged violence against U.S. troops, Kerry complained to National Public Radio, "They shut a newspaper that belongs to a legitimate voice in Iraq." Then, finding another way to parallel what Ted Kennedy was saying this week: "If all we do is make war against the Iraqi people and continue an American occupation, fundamentally, without a clarity as to who and how sovereignty is being turned over, we have a very serious problem for the long run here" newsmax Well, it's clear that the Iman enjoys the support of JFK and Ted Kennedy:

    Shiite terrorist leader Muqtada al-Sadr was so impressed with Sen. Ted Kennedy's portrayal of the war in Iraq as "George Bush's Vietnam," he's picked up the theme himself.

    "Iraq will be another Vietnam for America and the occupiers," al-Sadr said in a statement issued from his office in Najaf.

    Al-Sadr's remark mirrored Kennedy's own anti-war blast, when he told the Brookings Institution, "Iraq is George Bush's Vietnam."

    "I call upon the American people to stand beside their brethren, the Iraqi people, who are suffering an injustice by your rulers and the occupying army, to help them in the transfer of power to honest Iraqis," the al-Sadr statement continued, according to the Associated Press.

    No doubt Sen. Kennedy will echo the al-Sadr sentiment in his next address. newsmax

    April 27, 2004: Just a few weeks ago in a speech, he said: "George Bush sold us on going to war with Iraq based on the threat of weapons of mass destruction. But we still haven't found them. ... We were misled about weapons of mass destruction." But there's a different view today. "It appears, as they peel away the weapons of mass destruction issue - and we may yet find them," newsmax

    May 11, 2004: "What has happened is not just something that a few, you know, privates and corporals or sergeants engaged in." newsmax Once again, showing how you can disregard the facts, creating your own in order to score points with the demon-crat supporters...

    May 13, 2004: "I will fight a more effective war on terror because I would never have thrown out of the door or window the obligations of the Geneva Conventions," newsmax Aha! So the prison guards were told not to follow the Geneva Convention??!!?? And secondly, how does this make you more effective at the war on terror?? JFK, I question your intelligence.

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    Marriage

    2001: Two years ago he signed a letter with other congressional colleagues urging the Massachusetts legislature to drop a constitutional amendment outlawing homosexual nuptials. "This is an unconstitutional, unprecedented, unnecessary and mean-spirited bill," Yahoo! News Wed, Feb 11, 2004

    Sep 16, 2003: "My argument is that marriage is a union between men and women as defined through centuries. End of argument. Period. I don?t make procreation or any other argument about it. It?s just the way I?ve seen the issue". Kerry's Conundrum by Chris Bull in The Advocate (top)

    Social Security

    Sep 25, 2003 I will never privatize Social Security. I will never try to extend the retirement age for Social Security. And I will not cut any benefits for Social Security. Presidential Debate (top)

    Vietnam

    Apr 1971: "I committed the same kinds of atrocities as thousands of others in that I shot in free fire zones, used harassment and interdiction fire, joined in search and destroy missions, and burned villages. All of these acts were established policies from the top down, and the men who ordered this are war criminals." William Fullbright's Senate Foreign Relations Committee

    Hear His Words

    While in command of Swift Boat 44, Kerry and crew operated without prudence in a Free Fire Zone, carelessly firing at targets of opportunity racking up a number of enemy kills and some civilians. His body count included-- a woman, her baby, a 12 year-old boy, an elderly man and several South Vietnamese soldiers. "It is one of those terrible things, and I'll never forget, ever, the sight of that child," Kerry later said about the dead baby. "But there was nothing that anybody could have done about it. It was the only instance of that happening." Kerry said he was appalled that the Navy's ''free fire zone'' policy in Vietnam put civilians at such high risk. www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnkerry.com

    1971 War Protest: ''This administration forced us to return our medals...These leaders denied us the integrity those symbols supposedly gave our lives.'' Several years later, a reporter noticed Kerry?s Purple Hearts on his office wall. He admitted that the medals he threw on the steps were not his own, but instead were given to him by two other men. The Disgrace of John Kerry by Kevin Willmann Saturday, April 05, 2003

    April 23, 1971: "I would like to talk on behalf of all those veterans and say that several months ago in Detroit we had an investigation at which over 150 honorably discharged, and many very highly decorated, veterans testified to war crimes committed in Southeast Asia. These were not isolated incidents but crimes committed on a day-to-day basis with the full awareness of officers at all levels of command." Vietnam Veterans Against the War Statement

    Later some "veterans" who participated in Winter Soldier were exposed as impostors. Newsmax Feb. 11, 2004 7:09

    In December of 1992, not long after Kerry was quoted in the world press stating "President Bush should reward Vietnam within a month for its increased cooperation in accounting for American MIAs," Vietnam announced it had granted Colliers International, based in Boston, Massachusetts, a contract worth billions designating Colliers International as the exclusive real estate agent representing Vietnam.

    That deal alone put Colliers in a position to make tens of millions of dollars on the rush to upgrade Vietnam's ports, railroads, highways, government buildings, etc. C. Stewart Forbes, Chief Executive Officer of Colliers International, is
    Kerry's cousin . Kerry was portrayed in The New Yorker as a proud Vietnam veteran and "war hero" who, as chairman of the Senate Select Committee on POW/MIA Affairs, dared to take on and defeat the "mendacious POW lobby."

    In its 1993 final report, the Select Committee determined that live U.S. prisoners of war were left behind in the hands of the Vietnamese after the end of the war. Blood Money, if you ask me!

    Kerry now says he is proud of his service in Vietnam and that the country should ?celebrate the nobility of young Americans? who were willing to die for their country. Was He Lying Then Or Is He Lying Now? By Notra Trulock February 13, 2004 I guess we should just follow the example you set after your Vietnam experience. JFK, you're a real piece of work!

    *** Maybe it was LSD??? *** Asked if he had accused his fellow soldiers of committing war crimes in Vietnam during his April 1971 testimony before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, Kerry told CNN's Judy Woodruff: "No, I was accusing American leaders of abandoning the troops. And if you read what I said, it is very clearly an indictment of leadership. I said to the Senate, where is the leadership of our country? And it's the leaders who are responsible, not the soldiers. I never said that." <choke> I just gagged! Newsmax, Saturday, Feb. 21, 2004

    March 22, 2004: Reports that the FBI monitored John Kerry's anti-war activities in the early 1970s are "a badge of honor" and a troubling example of government intrusion into peaceful and legitimate protest, a Kerry spokesman said Monday. Golly Gee, JFK, I didn't know that being involved in ASSASSINATION discussions was "legitimate protest". Newsmax

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