Thanks for the reply, Cass! You took a long time to write that.
Bebu
Perhaps I took a long time to see it? 30 some minutes and now my goodness-- I hope I am not graded next time!
Truly, I am sorry to seem like I was picking on you. And I completely agree that it is just as inflammatory for pro-lifers to call pro-choicers "murderers and killers". (That would really ruffle my feathers!)
That is where we disagree, IMO what I said to those who do not want to support the right to choose is not inflammatory?where as, you do see the misgivings of your associates on this thread. There is not a ?just as? situation here, except one you have taken exception to. You fail to realize pro-lifers judge women and children every day for something they will NOT take the same responsibility you are asking them to.
I have been hitting and missing several posts, due to an outdoor project I'm involved in. It's my fault for not reading all the posts, and I apologize. If people could imagine that those who disagree with them politically--whatever the issue, USUALLY!--aren't all "inherently evil" , it would make listening and being heard a lot easier.
Believe me I hear you and I have listened to you, we just disagree.
I do not think you are evil, never have and never will. As a matter of fact I use to-- even after JW life, agree with your point of view. But parading around clinics with obscene pictures (many a judge would throw out of court as being inflammatory) as I used to see out in field service is not something I ever aspire to do nor would have done when I did not understand all the facts of pro choice and pro life. I was, as a child, scared and scared by such and would not want to ever force such pictures onto a child as when I first viewed them--EVER.
Because, most of the people I know who are pro-choice are simply not sitting at home rubbing their hands, scheming of how to get more women to abort. They are actually thinking about the mother and the very difficult situation she is facing. They want to protect her! That is not a bad thing!
You are correct and I agree, as a matter of fact I will take it one step further and say I have never heard of anyone who agrees with ?choice? looking for candidates for such. That is absurd.
Oftentimes, the woman who aborts does NOT think she is hurting anyone at all, so it is hard to see how she could be so evil.
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Not only do I see people calling those who wish to ?choose? murderers and killers but now ?evil? as you write above after you called for no insults to be thrown that only you seem to see.
There may be some who truly don't care about children and ridicule those who care about the unborn to any degree, but surely they must be the minority.
Pro-lifers have been guilty of being nasty, too. Perhaps they are being honest when they say that they think someone is murdering their child--but it is another step for these people to impute to all those women evil motives. Yet it isn't accurate to impute evil or selfish motives to pro-lifers because of their point of view.
Who, prey tell assigned any evil motives to any pro-lifer on this thread? Let me ask you a question please, Do you believe there are thousands/millions of babies frozen in fertility clinics? Are those who freeze such guilty of murder and evil as well? Or is that ok because some day?yes some day they may be unfrozen?implanted and finally born to take their first breath? Is the arsonist who burns down a fertility clinic with hundreds of ferterlized eggs guilty of hundreds of murders as well as arson?
Most of them truly love children, and wouldn't go ballistic if their daughter got pregnant out-of-wedlock. There are some folks who would get so upset as to toss out their daughter--but they are also quite a minority.
The point is most women who assert their right to choose-- many have had children and do love children?that I think is being missed, they would kill you or anyone if you ever tried to rip their lives away-- sentencing their daughter to death if she were going to die because she were pregnant or loose the life they helped so hard to create in forming her future through teaching and rearing. They have asserted their right to end the life of a fetus not that of a child. Something we seem to agree on---when life start?we both ask the same--When does life begin?
No one was nasty here that I saw except pro-lifers period. Andrea Yeates is a murderer and Susan Smith.
There are nice and not-so-nice folks in both camps.
There sure are and I am quite aware of such, just from reading the pro-life responses here. However there were no responses for you to take exception to on this thread. No one judged you or called you any names.
Anyway, the knife cuts both ways. I'm sorry to simply 'pick' on you, and not have also mentioned other comments, as would have been appropriate. It would be ideal if all that could be dropped. I think that, more than anything, is what I meant to say. Anyway, as has been said, this thread has actually been fairly tame.
More than tame look up past threads dealing with such. Only knives I saw thrown were from camp ?Lima?.
BTW: I am so tired of the name-calling going on, from either side. We need to focus on the problem, and part of that means we refrain from calling the other side stubborn, pompous, ignorant, etc. Name-calling only alienates the people with whom we need to work toward a solution
Dealing with your original comment now... please show me one example of name calling by any person in this thread towards a pro lifer who was pro choice... please and thank you. Again I do believe it is those anti-choice parties who are so judgmental of themselves and the right to choose?not the other way around. Pro lifers judge constantly another?s choice to live and can only hope for the future and try to impose a future on fetuses that they refuse to take responsibility for or simply can?t.
Cassi
