Abortion...

by Lostreality 215 Replies latest jw friends

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  Cassiline

  Just because a woman who got raped does not mean it grants the woman the right to kill the unborn child or to be selfish about it.

  Handing out death sentences seems easy enough for you, YOU WILL kill the mother but not the baby. Very strange.
  

  What if is a child who is pregnant? Will you sentence her to death as well? Because she is also the future remember!!!
  
  However, if the baby is proved to be (or is going to be) absolutely healthy in the full nine months time, then the baby must have a higher priority than the mother.

  Again you are willing to murder the mother to assure another is not murdered (in your speak).
  

  Sorry, but babies are more important and they are our future, the baby should have a chance at life, even if it means the mother will die.

  Many mothers who have faced this delemma(s?), as I have read from time to time, choose to give up her life in order for the baby to live. While it made me feel sad for the mother, but at the same time it made me glad the baby was given a shot at life.

  You have no clue as to who you are allowing to die, it very well may be a woman whose life was cut short and she may have come up with a cure for stupidity.

  The other day this lady ran in front of a car and saved her two year olds life, she died in the process. That is a hero!
  
  

  People cannot see the value of a child, that's sad. People equates babies with money, to see whether or not it's economically feastable to have the baby or kill the child.

  None of my three children were ever equated with money, you have some strange beliefs. Money may have nothing to do with a decision 'to choose' whatsoever.
  

  Why anyone want to butcher a child is beyond my comprehension.

  When you become pregnant by force or otherwise... it's IMO then you should have a say as to what women can choose, or as I said above if it?s your fetus. How can you CHOOSE who should die and not give the mother that same right?

  Cassi
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  Cassiline

  God will judge those in His own way.

  As he has in the bible and he killed pregnant women all the time and babies, I wonder if he will judge his own actions.

  Cassi, we are made in God's image and learn from our maker class.
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  El Kabong

  As he has in the bible and he killed pregnant women all the time and babies, I wonder if he will judge his own actions.

  Cassi. You make a good point.

  I don't pretend to know what God is thinking, or what really is the consequences of our actions. For all I know, many people have used God and God's will to justify killing people. Including women and children.

  Too many people think they know what God wants, or how God thinks. That's why I feel that we don't need any law made by Man (or woman) that tells other people what to do with their own body.

  To quote many WT Questions from readers articles, it should be a matter of conscience. (ugh!!! I can't believe I'm quoting Watchtower articles).
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  Cassiline

  To quote many WT Questions from readers articles, it should be a matter of conscience. (ugh!!! I can't believe I'm quoting Watchtower articles).

  LOL
  

  I believe the same, and I agree that all religion has killed in and name of God not knowing what his will is.

  Yiz,

  This applies to the topic of forced organ donation:

  There is a book out that deals with a child born ONLY to save her sisters life. She was genetically engineered by her parents and doctors to be a perfect match.

  She is forced to go through medical procedure all her life, many procedures are painful and or life threatening. She finally has had enough she says NO,. and files a lawsuit.

  Is she selfish in saying No? Should he parents have only had her to save her sister?

  People do not always have babies for the ?right? reason, or is there no right or wrong reason to make a personal choice?

  Book Reviews - My Sister's Keeper by Jodi Picoult

  Cassi
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  Yizuman

  Cassie, I'm sorry that I cannot make you see the value of a human being, let alone a small child. No one can but God and you alone. But let me ask you this, should a mother who has a first born child who's born with some kind of psysical defect and a doctor recommends that she get pregnant again so she can harvest organs from the second child for the firstborn child in order to save his or her life. Do you think that should be allowed? Yiz
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  Cassiline

  Cassie,
  
  I'm sorry that I cannot make you see the value of a human being, let alone a small child. No one can but God and you alone.

  
  Yiz

  Don?t get all self righteous on me please. You, Yiz are placing NO value on the life of the mother, so your above point has been invalidated. You stated that if a mother were going to loose her life she should die then, because her life is less important than that of a babies. You place less value if none at all on one over the other.
  
  

  But let me ask you this, should a mother who has a first born child who's born with some kind of psysical defect and a doctor recommends that she get pregnant again so she can harvest organs from the second child for the firstborn child in order to save his or her life.

  I personally do not agree with such, it brings up all kinds of issues. Especially that of the child who knows he was not a child of chance or love but was needed and engineered to save his siblings life. I can?t imagine the pain he or she would experience. Read the book I spoke of above.

  You are aware this happens, that children are born for this purpose today right now to be used as living organ donors?

  Morally or ethically wrong or right, is it a ?choice? and a 'choice' that is at this moment allowed to be made.

  Cassi
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  franklin J

  this is a hot topic....JW or not....

  when had just left the JWs, with my very first REAL girlfriend ( that means I "did it" with her WITHOUT being married; we were not careful), we thought we had become pregnant. I was still in college; doing my thesis; and I knew I had to finish school. This was circa 1982, I was 26 years old; and had my mind "sterilized"clean from 2 years in therapy. In hindsite, my mind was "open"and I thought myself very sophisticated and progressive. I talked to her about an abortion. She did not want one. I felt like I just was not ready for such a commitment. I loved this girl very much. I wanted to marry her. But the timing to have a child was wrong for me. I knew how much responsibility having a child entailed. The new world I was in the process of creating for myself had not quite "jelled".

  It turned out to be a false alarm. But one that shook me up . This was before the onslaught of AIDS, and no one used protection. This taught me to be VERY careful in the "prevention" department.

  ....ultimately, the girl left me to marry her old boyfriend. When I met my wife many years later and had children, I was 35 years old. The birth of my children altered my thinking in such a dramatic and positive way; that I thank god that I never contributed to any abortion. I really do believe they are miracles.

  When my 3 kids were all still fetuses; in the last 2 months of pregnancy; I would "talk"to them through my wife distended abdomen. This sounds bizarre, but when they were born I am convinced that they recognized my voice.

  I suppose , as a man who has worked hard to survive the JW break out ;build a family with children, I have become "pro life". My wife is even more "rabidly" pro life than me.
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  Yizuman

  w00t great story Franklin, Children are great small miracles and it's a shame many don't see them for who and what they truly are. Yiz
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  bisous

  Unfortunantly, in the court of law these days, a man has no say in the matter and if a man sues to save the baby's life from being butchered in a abortion mill, he'll lose every time, even if the woman is his wife.

  Just as it should be. Can I force you to do anything you don't wish to do with your body? No. You absolutely have a choice or a say in the matter.... Your choice is not to have sex with anyone who doesn't agree with your or hold your views.
  

  Once you do, you give up your voice or rights since it isn't your body. All of your characterisations (too many to quote here) are ridiculous....when you become impregnated, either as the result of rape or otherwise, and then you can make a decision about your body. Until then, stay out of it. It isn't your decision and it shouldn't be. And until the baby is born and self-sustaining, it has no choice either. That is the law of nature.

  I really don't give a fig about your opinions, accusations, characterisations or anything else. I am solely responsible for my body and any decision I make regarding it. I will live with those decisions, and I will be judged thus. Not you.
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  Cassiline

  w00t great story Franklin, Children are great small miracles and it's a shame many don't see them for who and what they truly are.

  Yiz Did you even bother to read all of Franklins story? He at one point in his life wanted his girlfriend to exercise the right of choice and made those views known to his girlfriend who did not want that choice. If she had a different opinion and were indeed pregnant, Franklin may be saying now, my girlfriend and I exercised her right to choose once a long time ago but today I would not have made the same choice. Because someone's views have changed over the years does not make what decisions that were discussed in the past any less signifiant in the matter of choice, he/she, they, still had the option of choice when they wanted to exercise it. Cassi