by coldfish 290 Replies latest watchtower beliefs
Thomas is the paradigm for agnostics so dont be too critic,
now some "down to earth" reasoning
If my father had the power... and for some 'elevated' reason i was willing to become an insect,
running the risk of becoming disgusting sight to a human or appetizer for a lizard,
most likely i will be finish soon, that is exactly what we wanted anyway..
Then after 3 days my father could... ..
never mind
this can get too complicated..
a Christian
I believe God has also given us many other approximate 400s. The sun is about 400 times as far away from us as the moon. It is this "400" relationship which produces total solar eclipses
You do realise that this ratio is not a constant don't you??
CF.
You do realise that this ratio is not a constant don't you??
dont tell half truth, do the math tell the difference in distance from summer to winter
no no no he is ok, he used a number based on RMS (root mean square)
i'll take that back, jesus was born in winter time,( unless wt can prove other wise)
so he used sun to earth distance AT THAT that time of the year
Hi Sabrina,
As far as I understand your last post, you do actually think that Christendom is the only true religion, or "way" if you prefer that.
Well that wasn't so hard was it? Then I guess that makes all the other ones false, right?
Then we have this one, how do you know that it is the only true religion/way? Since it is a life/death mattter I guess
one has to be pretty sure, right?
Then we can get on with the question to what happens to those who belong to the false religions?
Those who doesn't accept Jesus as the way.
Norm
I think I just got ADHD from reading three pages of this freaking thread. I had to stop, so my remarks are directed at only three people.
AChristian who says, "GOD'S STANDARDS ARE VERY HIGH!" Yes, they are so high that they demand his firstborn be sacrificed to make up for some other creation HE made imperfect. This dude is brilliant, and probably had his second career as Kenneth Lay, former ENRON CEO. He makes up the rules as he goes along, mostly to benefit his fragile vanity. Hilarity. God is a Woody Allen creation.
Norm and Alan, I can't even believe you have the attention span to dissect this minutia. It is a testament to higher learning, LOL, and your love of fellow man. You see, if I had the desire or the will, I too could pick apart this drivel. As it is, I try to stay mentally engaged and then moments later, uninterested in playing games of syntax and punctuation and inflection, resort to saying, "get the #*$& outta here."
Lisa
My three year old just made a mess. Should I behead the 14 year old? Class
AlanF,
From what I've read of this thread up to now, it seems to me that you and Norm (I think you're referring to him; correct me if I'm wrong) actually do agree that Christianity is basically intolerant.
No! I do not. Where did you get such an idea? If you like to paint everyone with the same brush that is your sad problem. No, I do not believe Christianity is basically intolerant. As I posted to Norm there are good and bad in every religion, Christianity included. If you want to invent your own assumptions go right ahead but I do not believe Christianity is basically intolerant. Good Golly Miss Molly! You haven't read a word I've written! But so what, it matters not.
I'm sure that we all agree that a religion that teaches that people who don't go along with it will be killed by its God is inherently intolerant.
Uh, excuse me but Simon I think does not allow the language that I believe your statement deserves. So I will improvise...AlanF, when you use the words WE and ALL be certain whom you are addressing otherwise what you say may be regarded by some as, to put it very politely, Bull Shit!
Look, believe whatever you want but do not attempt to speak for everyone. Or are you now the great GB of this board?
If not, then the definition of intolerance means nothing. Norm stated that Christianity is like that, and you agreed by saying that Jesus pointed "the way, the only way". So it's possible to find agreement after all.
Uhh.... yeah, whatever AlanF. Hey if like Norm you require people to kiss up and say you're right I'm cool with that.....Hey AlanF, you got a point there wow what a splendid rebuttal and so coherent too! Thanks man, nobody like you ever!
I'm certainly not going to dignify the ludicrous ideas of young-earth creationism by verbally 'allowing' that its adherents have every right to believe what they want.
I never brought up that subject.
They do have that right in a free society, of course, but not to be free from criticism.
As I have repeatedly said ad nauseam it is not criticism that rankles but ridicule. My god what a wall! Oh...sorry, Norm's posting style rubs off easily.
And I'm not going to verbally allow that JWs have much dignity of mind and conscience when I know perfectly well what kind of mind control they're subjected to and how that affects their ability to reason, and even to recognize the truth when they see it.
Uh....huh.
So why should I not be consistent in everything else that comes up for discussion on this board?
Yep, I see your point. If one is going to mow over some it is only proper that he mow over everyone. True logic there. Have to commend you!
There's a line from an Austin Powers movie that goes something like this: "There are two things I hate in this world. People who have no respect for other peoples cultures.....and the Dutch!" Your repeated declarations of disdain towards those who are in some way not to your liking such as believers in astrology or Christians or whomever else in your heart you disdain is sad, very sad. Because when you cannot see beyond a label and recognize that individuals are dynamic and are not all easily fitted into a box and that maybe just maybe not everything they believe in may be a crock; you segregate yourself just as much as the JWs do.
AlanF, you believe in your own religion, the religion of your own opinion. And since you believe that when it comes to Christanity and other belief systems your opinion is the only right one then that means that by your own definition you yourself are intolerant.
But hey, no big deal. I've become intolerant myself. I've become intolerant of people who actually believe they are superior to others and who believe they alone know truth and the only truth. I've become intolerant of you and Norm.
Everyone, everyone on this planet has the right to their own conscience and their own religious or non-religious beliefs. Everyone also has the right to be respected as an individual. You said yourself you do not respect people who believe in astrology, you called it clap trap. Fortunately, AlanF few in this world really care who or what you respect.
Sabrina
Frankie,
Well I'm glad at least for the fact that you are working at being a different christian than the jugdement type of christian. You know what I mean by that don't you?? I mean you don't think God is going kill people that don't believe in Jesus,, by not giving them everlasting life because they are bad,, for not beleiveing. You don't beleive that do you??
No. I can't reconcile that idea with Christ's love, so I don't try. Also, look at all the hatred, violence and pain that that the idea of One True Religion -- no matter what the religion is -- has done to humanity. That in itself is proof enough for me that it can't be right, and that judgement in whatever form it takes is best left up to God.
I totally agree! When we feel we have a lot to learn it also help to keep your mind very healthy,,just like a child always ready to learn and ask questions. But if we form ridged beliefs the mind slows down stops asking question learning becomes very hard and difficult.
True. Just look at George W. Bush. ;)
~Rochelle.
Hi there Norm,
As far as I understand your last post, you do actually think that Christendom is the only true religion, or "way" if you prefer that.
Yep.
Well that wasn't so hard was it?
Well, it was rather hard for you since I expressed my view on that a few pages ago. You had some kind of memory lapse or something. But rather than admit that you write the above. How can you live with your own hypocrisy Norm? No matter.
Then I guess that makes all the other ones false, right?
Yep.
Then we have this one, how do you know that it is the only true religion/way? Since it is a life/death mattter I guess
one has to be pretty sure, right?
Because and Yes.
Then we can get on with the question to what happens to those who belong to the false religions?
Those who doesn't accept Jesus as the way.
Norm, I already answered that question. You don't actually read the posts do you Norm. You just pick out things to find fault with and ignore the rest. I told you pages ago that Jesus taught he alone taught the way to God and I also told you that good people outside of Christianity were loved by the Christ and considered righteous. Tell me this Norm. Why should I discuss this again with you when you obviously ignored what I said before?
Are you finished now with your "debunking Christianity questions". You have been chomping at the bit to ask them and have them answered. It seems you think those questions are some magical way of proving you right. Well, glad to help out Norm. Sleep well.
Sabrina
Hi, Abaddon.
YOU are aware of that Ross. That's one of the reasons I respect you.
If this was meant for me, thank you for the compliment. If not, then just pretend I didn't say anything and go on about your business.
~Rochelle.
After you've been thru A Christians treatment of the flood story (yes "treatment"), and then he springs the big "Four O" doctrine on ya, you come to realize that, in spite of a veneer of politeness and lucidity, you are dealing with a mind that is much closer to that of AGuest or Brownboy than you first imagined.
