Does Jehovah accept human sacrafice or not? (page 3)

Narkissos

Tashawaa,

You're right of course: if one takes the Bible "great history" at face value (i.e. Creation / Flood / Patriarchs / Exodus / Torah / Conquest / Judges / United monarchy / Divided monarchy), then there are a lot of unsuperable contradictions, especially in books such as Judges which have preserved some really old traditions from the time of polytheist Israel. This "great history" which is the first thing people learn in catechisms is really something to "unlearn" if one wishes to get the meaning of individual OT texts -- just as in the NT you have to forget Luke-Acts if you want to understand anything about the rest.

gumby

Nark.....it's about dang time you got involved and helped bail my arse out! I've been gittin shot at by various believers and you've been hidin somewhere just grinnin.......I know you have ya bastard!

Hey seriously, it's always a pleasure to have you when bible disputes arrive. You da man!

Jehovah not only honored human sacrifice, he very much honored punishing the firstbron of any gross sinner against him. Though he himself said fathers sins wouldn't be held against the sons, he did one helluva job breaking his own damn rules.

Gumby

Kenneson

Nark,

Ezek. 20:11, 13, 16 20-21 show that Israel freely chose to reject God's laws. Therefore, in verses 25-26 it shows that God abandoned them to their own worst evil inclinations. The evil in this case was permitted by God but not sanctioned, in order to make them aware of the horror of their crimes and to make them return to acknowledging him. God did not favor human sacrifice anymore than he did idolatry. See verses 29 and 31 and 33. The whole chapter is a history of their infidelities. God didn't cause them.

Narkissos

Kenneson,

Therefore, in verses 25-26 it shows that God abandoned them to their own worst evil inclinations.

If this is what it means that's a pretty odd way to say it, don't you think?

Kenneson

Nark,

I think that the ancient Israelites attributed to God every action, whether it be evil or good. See for example Ezek. 14:9 Nevertheless, we wouldn't say that God deceived or beguiled a prophet, but that he permitted this deceit. See also 1 Sam. 18:10 Doesn't this actually mean that God allowed Saul to have fits of rage rather than cause them?

Narkissos

Kenneson,

I believe that the concept of "God" has really changed with time. What the Christian "God" cannot do Yhwh obviously could. The aristotelian device of "first" and "second causes" is only a convenient trick to make sense of old texts in a new context (what Yhwh does "God" just permits). I personally don't buy into it.

OldSoul

If not for the fact that I would only want to offer the best, I could think of a few I wouldn't mind offering ... of course, there's some that wouldn't think twice before offering me, too.

glitter

he'll sacrfafice to Jehovah.....get this....."the first thing that comes out of his house".

Even the cursed Beast only required that the old man gave him the first thing that greeted him when he returned home with his life spared after stealing the Beast's roses. And that Beauty got herself a fairytale happy ending.

Are there any other fairytales inspired by stories in the Bible? Apart from the whole lot being a fairytale of course! :)

googlemagoogle

@narkissos/leolaia/euriphides... and whoever else researches this kind of things

do the jesus stories/pauline theology directly mirror any of these human sacrifice accounts?

and do you have any book recommendation about canaanite religion compared to OT texts?

frankiespeakin

Glitter,

Are there any other fairytales inspired by stories in the Bible? Apart from the whole lot being a fairytale of course! :)

I think quite literally there are fairy tales in the bible or one any way. The two women in the jar and one was wickedness.

Does Jehovah accept human sacrafice or not?

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