Does Jehovah accept human sacrafice or not?

by gumby 87 Replies latest watchtower bible

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  BlackSwan of Memphis

  ok....

  you guys really know yer stuff! Cool!

  Ok. Gumby, yeah, I agree, everything points to the fact that the poor kid was toast. What I had been referring to was the whole making the frivilous vow and smoke offering thing. But to tell ya the truth....

  Narkissos... uhm. ok... I am really tired. And I have read and reread your point, but while I Know that everyone else get's what yer saying. Um, ( I feel so stupid) .... Dumb it down for your average American airhead. I am not sure of what you're trying to say. Plus it's a Saturday night and I've had a couple drinks and what not.

  Anyhoooo... I remember seeing this on a Discovery channel show a year ago and was shocked that the rest of the world was under the impression that this poor girl was a burnt offering. I looked it up in my good ol' NWT and was fairly confident. After reading so many different things, yeah, it doesn't look good for this girl.
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  DannyBear

  The trouble with LT's and others who tend to want to explain away such 'Biblical' accounts......is that it most assuredly muddies the water for believers who want desperately to accept the Bible as a direct communication from the creator.

  Gumby has made a concerted effort at pointing to many of these 'Biblical' accounts that leave more questions in the mind than answers.

  So when I see attempts to explain away, clear and forthright expressions, directly quoted from scripture........IT SMACKs and SMELLS just like GB hogwash.

  God should be able to write a clear and concise sentance, that leaves little to ones imagination or interpretation. If anyone should be able to conjure up prose and poetry to knock your socks off........it should be the guy who invented the whole concept.

  I mean if your gonna enter the brain waves of John on the Isle of Patmos.....at least have his inspirational Revelation out in the open air...with plenty of witnesses that could attest to John's abstaining from the local Patmos 'whacky weed'. Think that might of added a little more credibility to a work conjured up in some fire scorched cave?

  Danny
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  LittleToe

  Danny:

  The trouble with LT's and others who tend to want to explain away such 'Biblical' accounts....

  Exsqueeze me????
  Where did I try explaining it away???

  Do you have ANY clue about my positioni on the bible, before you cast such aspersions on my name?

  Oh, and wb, Danny...
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  gumby

  So, given that you have this big issue with God not speaking to you, why do you take issue when some ancient dudes decided that their actions were sanctionable, and then attributed then to God?

  LT,

  Frankly, I can see where Dannybear is coming from. I also see where your coming from.

  No, god never gave his approval verbally to Jepthah.....but did he do ANYTHING to let him know he did an objectionable thing? He blesses him with victory and continued to bless him after he sacrificed his daughter. Whenevr Israel sinned against god (especially a hero of the bible) god would let them know what their sin was....yet god gives no indication he's appalled by Jepthah's actions.

  These "ancient dudes" were evidently rightous enough to have their names recoreded in gods book as examples of integrity. When god blesses someone .....you usually get the impression god is pleased with this person. LT...have you known god to back an individual who has just sinned against him?

  .......and hey you knucklehead....I've NEVER screened your calls you beasterd.....call me anytime....just so it's not at 3:00 in the morning.

  Gumby
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  Narkissos

  BlackSwan,

  What I meant in response to your Study Bible is: when the story of Jephthah was written the Torah as we know it (Exodus-Leviticus-Numbers) did not exist.

  From there I somewhat drifted to a slightly different question, whether the Torah which generally forbids human sacrifice has preserved some vestiges of an older practice. Sorry for the confusion.
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  ozziepost

  Say Grumbles, can't ya correct the speeeling in the title?!!
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  gumby

  Ozbastard, I've tried twice to correct my poor illiterates arse in correcting my mis-spelling of sacrafice (tm) sacrifice...and Jeptha (tm) Jepthah. You'll have to yell at Simon cuz I tried and it gave me an error thingy.

  Now quit pickin on my spellin just cause I'm a negative bible bastard! Ya hear?

  Gumby
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  ozziepost

  Guilty conscience, grumbly?
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  BlackSwan of Memphis

  Thanks for the clarification Narkissos.

  You guys have been mentioning several interesting points regarding other religions of the time. (I can honestly say I am not acquainted with Pauline theology.) Well, one of the things that I have been wondering about for some time is?.

  The Israelites spent a good deal of their time in Egypt. In fact there was quite a number of Egyptians that supposedly headed out of their homeland during the Exodus. Is anyone here acquainted with Egyptian religions?

  I think I remember reading somewhere that the Egyptians were actually not too terrible of a people. It was a matriarchal society, fairly civilized. That being said, I really am still learning about the religion that the people practiced. Is it possible, then, that the Israelites, during their time in Egypt, took on some of the religious rites of their Egyptian masters?
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  LittleToe

  Gumby:
  I'm sorry, other than Jepthah's own subjective claims, I fail to see where God actually blessed or condemned at all. It's quite easy to take the view that God was oblivious towards him.