WHAT DO YOU THINK OF THE TERRI SCHIAVO CASE?

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  • exjwshell
    exjwshell

    In my opinion, I think that he should just let her parents and family take care of her if that's what they want and they intend on paying for all the care that she is in need of. I think this case shows us all the huge importance of a living will.

    I, personally would NEVER want to live connected to tubes but, since she has no living will, I think her parents should have the opportunity to provide her with the care that they think she needs.

    Congress should NOT be involved. Her husband should let her parents have custody and let them all live in peace.

    Just my two cents!

    ~Shell

  • bikerchic
    bikerchic

    Isn't it ironic that Terri lived a life of wanting to die that of being bulimic and anorexic which is a death wish and now in her last days the courts are fighting removal of her feeding tube?

    I would say that Terri already made her wishes known by the way she lead her life and at the age of 26 she was more than aware and perfectly capable of thinking through how she would want to die.

    It's a sad thing for both her husband and her parents and as the point has already been made it would be best if her husband would divorce her and leave the responsibility of her care in the hands of her parents who truly want to take care of her.

    For myself I wouldn't want to live a day without quality of life, and after reading through this very informative thread I for one am going to back that up with a power of attorney statement stating that very fact as I've already told my husband and children that is my wish I would hate to put them through something as agonizing as what Terri's husband and parents are going though.

    Kate

  • TonyT
    TonyT

    Since she can not act for herself the courts should divorce her from her husband due to adultry and allow her un-conflicted parents to decide her fate. That being said I would prefer to die if I were in her situation. Just don't do it by starvation.

  • NewLight2
    NewLight2

    Many on this thread have sited that Terri was bulimic and anorexic but have not posted any real proof to that effect. The way I understand it, it is only something that Michael (and company) has testified in court that Terri had. The only Doctors that have testified to that being the case have not actually provided the court with records that state that she was indeed bulimic and anorexic. They have all taken the third parry stance - "If a person is bulimic and anorexic . . .That could result in a person's heart stopping etc. . . " I'm not saying that there is nothing in the court records that actually proves that she had been treated for this disease, only that I don't remember reading anything to that effect.

    Could someone provide an article that states that the court does have this proof of evidence that Terri was indeed diagnosed/treated for bulimia and anorexia PRIOR to her heart stopping on that fateful day?

    This point IS very important, because the courts ruled in Michael's favor to award him that large money settlement based on the fact that the Doctors were guilty of malpractice!

    It is my opinion that Michael's deception played a part in him getting this award in the first place.

    The Bone Scan:

    Quote taken (and repeated below in context) from an interview which aired on Fox News Channel:

    "It's clear there is a possibility that this bone scan represents the true cause of Terri's collapse," Anderson argued. "I cannot imagine a more monstrous situation than a wife beater being made guardian of the woman he nearly beat to death. ... The possibility hangs over this case," she added."

    ***************** March 1991 Bone Scan shows head trauma and bone injuries





    "Interviewed on the Fox News Channel, Dr. Michael Baden, co-director of the Investigative Unit of New York State Police in Albany and former chief medical examiner for New York City, ruled out potassium imbalance and a heart attack as factors in Terri's mysterious collapse 13 years ago ? which left her severely incapacitated and unable to speak ? and pointed to head trauma and bone injuries as a more likely cause."

    "Baden said he studied a bone scan made in March 1991 at a rehabilitation facility that describes her as having a head injury: ?That's why she's there, that's why she's getting a bone scan.? . . . . ?A head injury can cause, can lead to the vegetative state that Ms. Schiavo is in now," he continued, adding the scan showed evidence of other injuries, bone fractures."

    "Baden said the injuries were caused by some kind of trauma. "The trauma can be from an auto accident, the trauma can be from some kind of beating that she obtained from somebody somewhere. It's something that should have been investigated in 1991 when those findings were fresh," and added, "Maybe they were Maybe they were investigated. by the police at that time." As far as Terri's family knows, they were not."



    of the "suspiciously rigid neck" led to the discovery of a report of a full-body nuclear-imaging bone scan done on Terri 13 months after her brain injury. The report describes the accumulation of contrasting agent, or "hot spots," that suggest multiple fractures. In the words of an unnamed physician who reviewed the report at Anderson's request, "Somebody worked her over real good." The report specifically notes a compression fracture of her thigh "which is presumably traumatic," according to the radiologist. Other "hot spots" are suggestive of fractures in her ribs, the first lumbar vertebra and several thoracic vertebrae, both sacroiliac joints, and both knees and ankles. The report states, "the patient has a history of trauma" and "the presumption is that the other multiple abnormal activity ['hot spots'] areas of also relate to previous trauma." . . . . "It appears according to Mediplex records that the bone scan was ordered because Terri was complaining during physical therapy. She was saying 'no' and 'stop,' making noises and grimacing during therapy," Anderson told the court, noting the top of the bone-scan report reads, "evaluate for trauma."

    "It's clear there is a possibility that this bone scan represents the true cause of Terri's collapse," Anderson argued. "I cannot imagine a more monstrous situation than a wife beater being made guardian of the woman he nearly beat to death. ... The possibility hangs over this case," she added. "





    "Bob Schindler, Terri's father . . . wonders what Terri would say about the night she collapsed if she could speak. "He's trying to kill Terri. That's the bottom line. And for the past 10 years he has tried to kill Terri in one form or another," Schindler told WND. "He tried to stop her medication for an infection. She would have died but the nursing home overruled him and treated her. That's when he moved her to another nursing home, by the way. He put a 'do not resuscitate' in her medical files," he continued. "

    "In recent days, family members have grown alarmed over finding the temperature in Terri's hospice room repeatedly set at 64 degrees Fahrenheit ? prompting her to begin coughing ? while the rest of the facility is kept warm."

    " ?Once malpractice money came in February 1993 she was put on the shelf [in a nursing home]," Anderson declared in her closing arguments. "She hasn't had her teeth cleaned since 1995 when he decided to stop cleaning her teeth," Anderson told WND. "Never had a mammogram. She last had a pap smear in1996.? "

    Medical Records Kept Sealed by Court Order at the Request of Michael Schiavo

    "Robert and Mary Schindler, knew nothing of the existence of the bone scan until their attorney Patricia Anderson was collecting evidence for a hearing scheduled for October 2002. Prior to that time, Terri's medical records had been kept sealed under court order at the request of her husband, Michael Schiavo"

    "The Fox News interview with Michael Baden and information on Terri's fight for life are posted on the family's website." http://www.terrisfight.org/

  • NewLight2
    NewLight2

    Euphemism,

    The Florida Supreme Court has refused to hear the appeal on many occasions leaving the Schindler's 'up a creek, with no paddle'.

    The above mentioned Bone Scan has never been allowed to become part of the court evidence. Judge Greer has repeatedly rejected key evidence in this case.

    The Schindler's want this evidence addmitted to the court records, but it seems every thing they have tried in the past has failed to give them this opportunity. Michael, on the other hand, has suceeded in blocking anything from the court records that alledges that he may have been the cause of Terri's current condition.

    Most of the news-media has only highlighted the feeding tube removal issue and have not even covered the part about the existing bone scan that has been repeatedly dis-allowed by the court system! Why is this???? Maybe THEY (the news-media) have an adgenda too.

    I agree thathttp://www.worldnetdaily.com/ has an adgenda, but I have found they usually have their facts right. I have used their website's archive to gather my information from only because they DO have an extensive and easy to use system - and it is FREE with no registration required. It is a 'quick and dirty' method for me to quickly find the information in print that I remember reading in the past.

    My concern in this issue is that IF Michael did abuse Terri and is responsible for causing her current condition, I want HIM to have his day in court, just as Scott Peterson did. Since Judge Greer refuses to admit ALL of the evidence into the court records, and all higher state courts have so far refused to hear the appeals, what other option is there but to appeal to the FEDERAL court syatem? And to do that, Congress needs to act. Michael is trying to destroy potiential evidence by having Terri's feeding tube removed. He has also said that once she dies, she is to be creamated at once with NO autopsy, thereby destroying that source of potential evidence for ever.

    In my opinion the right-to-die issue is secondary to the main issue of putting Michael on trial for alledged wife-abuse! If he is guilty, he should be convicted in a court of law the same as Scott Peterson was.

  • Euphemism
    Euphemism

    NewLight2 wrote:

    The Florida Supreme Court has refused to hear the appeal on many occasions leaving the Schindler's 'up a creek, with no paddle'.
    ...
    Most of the news-media has only highlighted the feeding tube removal issue and have not even covered the part about the existing bone scan that has been repeatedly dis-allowed by the court system! Why is this???? Maybe THEY (the news-media) have an adgenda too.

    So just to clarify your position... you believe that the husband in this case may actually be a criminal, that the trial judge is his co-conspirator, that the Florida Supreme Court denied the appeal for no good reason, and that the national news media is burying relevant information.

    That's one hell of a conspiracy theory you've got yourself, buddy.

  • NewLight2
    NewLight2

    "So just to clarify your position... you believe that the husband in this case may actually be a criminal. . ." - Euphemism

    Let's just cut your statement down to just the above. So, yes, I think that Michael may have committed a crime and the issue needs to be explored within the court system.

    NewLight2

  • Yizuman
    Yizuman

    I think the husband wants her dead because she's an embarrassing reminder that she was his wife. So he wants her bumped off.

    The husband IMO is a prick, as soon as she ended up in a vegative state, it didn't take long for him to find another chick to pork on.

    I agree that he should have just divorced her and get on with his life and leave her to the care of her parents and let it be their decision on what they want with her. All he's doing is causing more pain and suffering to her parents than it is for him

    Yiz

  • NewLight2
    NewLight2

    I'd also like to add that the 'adgenda' that the courts and the newsmedia want to exploite IS the Right-to-die issue.

    I do not want to debate any 'conspiracy theory'. The issue is very simple, in order to use this case to exploite the Right-to-die issue, the abuse issue must be ignored.

    NewLight2

  • Oroborus21
    Oroborus21

    Greetings!

    This situation seems to raise all kinds of issues and now its even stirring debate about our fundamental system of checks and balances.

    I just want to add my own thoughts and comments but first I want to address two posters on this thread:

    Bikerchiic/Kate, there is a lot of truth in what you say! One cannot just simply deny the effects of one's previous choices in life. If the anorexia nervosa/bullemia nervosa is factual then it is certainly very ironic that she may ultimately die from starvation. But also let's remember that many, if not most, who are truly suffering from these and other impulse-control/body perceptive and eating disorders aren't acting under the full control of a healthy brain/psyche. In short, few engage in these forms of eating disorders purposely, because they WANT to. They are very much victims of what is whatever is wrong with them which causes them to engage in these unhealthy activities. Thus, we should be careful to consider that even if Terry engaged in such negative and harmful behaviours, these particular problems (unlike say drug use in most cases) are linked and tied to a corresponding medical/psychological problem. It would not be fair than to say that Terry's present condition is the harvest of what she has sewed.

    NewLight2: YOU ARE JUST PLAIN RIDICULOUS! I am just going to address a few things that you have (LIKE A MORON) said in this thread and a few other points:

    1: Husband (schiavo) wants to destroy evidence that he was abusive or "strangled his wife" which brought her into her current condition.

    That's just stupid in every way.

    First, although it appears that you have followed the news on this situation, apparently you did not bother to research the FACTS. Terry collapsed in 1990 and was immediately taken to the hospital. IF THERE WAS ANY EVIDENCE OF STRANGULATION/SUFFOCATON it would have been immediately apparent to the physicians treating her. Bruises, strangulation, burst blood vessels in the eyes, any of these are evidence of asphyxia or strangulation. These would have been present in 1990 and the husband would have been arrested in charged.

    Second, there would be NO medical evidence today, almost 15 years later, that would indicate any type of strangulation/suffocation. Terry has received MRIs/CAT scans which do not support any such cause for her vegetative condition. In fact, the cause is apparently the fault of medical treatment that she received after her initial collapse, which resulted in jury findings of malpractice claims in favour of her family, her estate and her husband in excess of $2 million dollars.

    (As an aside, if there were any evidence to be found, it would be produced through an Autopsy. Since even a Cremation order that the husband sought would be superceded by the autopsy order required by the DA in this case, it would be extremely stupid for the husband to allow her to die, if the result is that such evidence would be more likely to be produced.)

    2. The husband is afraid that evidence of "his spousal abuse" will come out.

    That is stupid for two reasons. First, Terry has the care of medical personnel and has already received numerous physical evaluations from countless doctor's not ONE of them has alleged finding ANY EVIDENCE of spousal abuse. Secondly, it is stupid because the punishment for being "found guilty" of spousal abuse is nothing compared to the punishment for being found "guilty of her death". If there was evidence to be found of spousal abuse THAT LED TO HER PRESENT CONDITION AND SHE SUBSEQUENTLY DIES he would be guilty not just of spouse abuse but of homicide. Without a doubt he has been legally advised and knows this. Thus again his interest would be to keep her alive as long as possible.

    Oh and by the way, with regard to your latest posts regarding the petitions filed (the 60-day stay petition) evidently you do not fully comprehend the simple fact that what is being requested is a stay to "investigate" whether "abuse has occurred" and is NOT ITSELF ANY PROOF of such allegations. Anybody with half a brain can see that this petiton filed last Friday, AFTER THE SUPREME COURT CLEARED THE WAY FOR HER TUBE TO BE REMOVED, is nothing more than a political action, designed to give the courts/fed/congress more time to interfere. If there were any such proof or real concern, these would have been addressed a long long time ago.

    (Also with regard to the "news report" which read more like the National Enquirer where Terry supposedly upon hearing the news that the tube would be removed, suddenly lurched up and said: "IIIIIIIIIIII....WWWAAAAAAAA........": I will finish the sentence for you, it is: "IIIIIII WWWWAAAAAANNNTTTT TTTTOOOOO DDDDIIIIIIIIIEEEE!!!!.)

    3. The Husband wants to benefit from her death.

    Interestingly, I believe the husband has already demonstrated that this is not about MONEY when he declined not one but TWO offers, the first for $10 million dollars and the other for $1 million dollars, JUST TO RELEASE HIS GUARDIANSHIP. If he was only interested in money and in MOVING ON WITH HIS LIFE, he would have released his guardianship a long time ago as Terry's family had already expressed their intention to FILE FOR LEGAL DIVORCE ON TERRY'S BEHALF and to continue treatment/rehabilitiation - both of which would have allowed him to walk away with a clean conscience and start his life anew. (Though I am not sure that the family would not have tried to sue him for alimony.)

    In addition to this, the husband long ago volunteered to give up any remainder of her trust fund, to which he is legally entitled to receive upon her death.to charity.

    4. The Husband just wants to move on with his life and forget about Terry.

    Nonsense, pure nonsense. Yes he started a family, has another relationship, I am not sure that anyone would blame him for that. But if he just wanted to walk away from Terry, he could have relinquished his guardianship a long long time ago. He received over $1 million in a malpractice suit that was HIS AWARD, not part of the trust fund. He could have walked away at that point. No one goes through all of this hell for 15 years for such petty reasons as have been put forth by some.

    From all of the above it seems clear to me that the Husband's only concern and conflict has been his love for his wife, which he knew to be so beautiful and full of life and which he evidently feels extremely strongly that would not wish to live the way she has been "living" for the past 15 years.

    I have no doubt that this was a terrible and heart-wrenching decision to make or that watching his wife slowly die will be a very sad ordeal.

    Having said that, it is easy to be sympathetic with the parents. They believe and evidently, other doctors have also concluded, that Terry is not in a persistent vegistative state - as found by the court and the court's medical examination. They have said that they want to take care of her and be with her for all of her life. Such is natural from a parent. But there are two problems with this: 1) her parents are not young. They could and perhaps are likely to die before Terry would if she were maintained. Likewise, even her siblings could die before her. Thus the burden and responsibility would fall to others (family members and non-family members?). So their parental argument only goes so far before they are enlisting and speaking on behalf of others. More importantly, is that they seem to be sustituting their own feelings and desires for those of Terry.

    In short they are being extremely selfish. True, they may be concerned for Terry but they also are being selfish. Period. I truly do not know of any person, no matter how much I love, that I would want to submit them to a lifetime of "life" like that. Even with constant rehabilitation and therapy (and short of some wild medical advancement/discovery (using human cloning), Terry is never going to have a quality of life that is even appreciably better than what she has now. I think that is is hard for many people to understand that they would want to do that to their daughter. But everyone of course feels for them. This is a tragedy for them and nothng that any person wants a loved one to go through.

    Finally, I would like to turn to the whole government getting involved with this (which even the Parents have voiced out against.) Obvisously, the basic issues of euthanasia, right-to-die and personal medical decision and patient privacy are all raised.

    It sickens me that after working itself throughout the court system for 10 years, that now we have congressmen and senators boarding planes, trains and automobiles in order to make it back to D.C. to vote on legislation, designed deliberately to interfere with and supercede the judicial system. I am not even talking about the expense to tax payers over this mess. There is a serious cause for concern about the general slide down the slippery slope of the government interfering with personal rights and freedoms in this country over the past 5 years since 911. If Congress is allowed to intervene in this situation it will be a very bad precedent for the future.

    That's pretty much all I have to say about this except for one more reminder that you have all heard already. As an attorney that does estate planning, I just want to remind all of you to get your estate plan documents in order: will, trust, advance medical directive/power of attorney for medical care and power of attorney for property.

    -Eduardo Leaton Jr., Esq.

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