Did Jesus ever use the name Jehovah? (page 4)

JeffT

Two comments.

If the WTBS followed its own guidelines about putting YHWH in the new testament (i.e. where Jewish scholars used it when translating back into Hebrew) Romans 10:9 would read:

That if you confess with your mouth, "Jesus is Jehovah," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.

They also say that God protected the text of the Bible to insure its accuracy, yet He was somehow incapable of preventing the removal of his own name from about 7,000 verses. Doesn't make sense in my book.

Narkissos

The NWT puts Jehovah in all the places where the writers of the NT quote from the OT.

Not necessarily: e.g. 1 Peter 2:3 NWT, " provided YOU have tasted that the Lord is kind," while the cross-reference sends back to Psalm 34:8 NWT, " Taste and see that Jehovah is good".

There are a few places where thet should have lest it out.

Indeed, especially when the insertion of "Jehovah" destroys an argument explicitly applying the use of "Lord" in the Septuagint quote to Jesus: please read Romans 10:9-15; 14:7-9; John 12:48-51 in any other Bible and then compare the NWT to see what is left of it.

While on earth Jesus was promoting his fathers will and he was not afraid of controversy so he would have used his fathers name.

How do you know (or think you know)? Because controversies about such things as Sabbath observation, ritual washings, fastings are recorded in the Gospels. On the contrary there is no NT mention of any controversy regarding the use of the name Yhwh, which would have been a much more important issue.

No original copies of the writings of the NT exist. Because of the tradition of the Jews not to use Gods name and because the Paul to the Theselonians said that a falling away would come (2:3 ?Let no one deceive you in any way; for that day will not come, unless the rebellion comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of perdition,?) The word for ?falling away? according to Strongs is apostasia apostasia ap-os-tas-ee?-ah; feminine of the same as 647; defection from truth (properly, the state) ["apostasy"]:?falling away, forsake.
There is no proof but it would seem as if those the copied the originals left out the name of God due to the tradition of not using it.

This reasoning implies that the NT text has not been transmitted correctly: so how can we trust it for anything? How come, for instance, that JWs are able to argue from NT texts in "apostate manuscripts" against the "apostate Trinity doctrine" if the text has been modified to suit the "apostasy"? You can't have it both ways.

LittleToe

Didier:It's only one step short of the Mormon's method, huh?
Some of their interpolations are amusing - and don't get me started again on the "Book of Abraham"!

Deputy Dog

Ben

Jesus taught us to call God "Father" or "Abba Father" even in the NWT!

Mat 6:9

"YOU must pray, then, this way: "'Our Father in the heavens, let your name be sanctified.

Mar 14:36

And he went on to say: "Abba, Father, all things are possible to you; remove this cup from me. Yet not what I want, but what you want."

Romans 8:15, Galations 4:6

D Dog

ellderwho

It is true that the English version of Jehovah is not the correct pronunciation, but we accept all the other ?J? names in the Hebrew texts. and Jesus is not the way to pronounce his name in either Greek of Hebrew but we use it.

JW Ben, perhaps but you talking about your God. You should at least refer to him as Yahweh. BTW would you call your dad by his first name?

JW Ben

I refer to my parents by their first name as well as my inlaws. I do not object to my children calling me by my first name as I think it shows we are more that father and child but friends. My children tell us everything that goes on in their life. We are their confidants. Even as young children I did not object to my first name being used as long as it was used with respect. I volunteer in a primarry school working closelt with a few students aged 9 - 12 . They use my first name as well and I allow it as long as it is use with respect.

For me the most compelling evidence that Jesus used his fathers name was the texts I quoted earlier he made his fathers name known and would make it known.

Not using the correct pronunciation in English is not a problem. Even today when people go to other countreis people will miss pronounce names. The point is the indivduals involed know by the name just who is being spoken of. By using Jehovah wich has been widely accepted since before the JKV of 1611 people know that it refers to the God of the Jews. It was only last centry that religions started making a real effort to get rid of it.

nicholas

It's to my understanding that Jesus(Yehovah), is the translation of Iesous(Greek), which had been translated from the Aramaic written word, as it couldn't actually be pronounced, YHS; which loosely translated is Yeshua, Y'shua, Yoshua... or Joshua.

heathen

JW Ben made a pretty good point . Tho God is the father he expects people to know and use his name with respect , the commandment only says , " you must not use my name in a worthless way ", it says nothing about not using it at all . Well for that matter I think the j-dubs are the most worthless people in the world ........................

Sunspot

Eccl 7:1 says that a "name" is better than good oil.....and somehow I don't think he was talking about Joseph or Joshua The "name" is the reputation, and I feel that is what Jesus was upholding when he spoke about God, his Father.

I can't remember what those four attributes were now (was it Love, Justice, Mercy and Forgiveness?) but they were the core idea of what Jesus' God and Father represented.

Just my $.02

Annie

zen nudist

christians think the bible is one book with one author-- God....but

would you make that conclusions if you had two different parts, and one of them was literally peppered with the name YHWH and the 2nd part was completely devoid of that name.

seems to me its like an american dollar bill.... if one bill has red white and blue threads in it made of silk and the next bill has none, that second bill is a fake..... notice that the book of mormon and the koran are similarly devoid...however the book of mormon does have it in about 8 times which is just like the KJV not the hebrew scriptures, a harder to detect fraud but still a fraud.

Did Jesus ever use the name Jehovah?

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