What's Your Opinion of Putting Spy Cameras On City Streets? (page 11)

LongHairGal

I don't like it either but some areas are so crime ridden with repeat offenders that there is little other choice. Whether or not it is a deterrent is another thing entirely.

Another thing people are moaning about is how you can't get into federal buildings anymore unless you have a pass. The security is outrageous. Well, what do you want? We now have dangerous people in the country like never before.

There always were criminals but this is a whole new thing.

144001

"144001 - Here in North Carolina it is a $ 50 fine and no points..... I wrongly assumed this was probably how most states were handling it."

My access to North Carolina codes was temporarily down today, but I took a look at the drivers handbook issued by your DMV. According to the official handbook, running a red light is three points on your driving record (see page 30, the next to last offense listed). I was a bit shocked by the severity of your speeding laws. Those laws would result in a lot of suspended licenses in California, including mine.

hillbilly

more cameras the better............. that way if I pull out my legit, CCW permited taxed, registered handgun and DEFEND myself... perhaps doing great and grevious bodily harm to the criminal there will be a record of my actions.... Thats good...no real criminal action taken against me and I have proof of my actions when the criminals family tries me in Civil court for wrongful death.

Cameras are good... but not as good as real police or armed citizens.

~Hill

Terry

Seat belts save lives. In 1999, motor vehicle occupant restraints saved the lives of approx. 11,197 people over age four.

If all passenger vehicle occupants over age 4 used proper restraints, an additional 9,553 lives could have been saved in 1999.

I remember years ago when the seat belt laws went into affect. It was stated then, that cops would not pull people over for not wearing them, but if pulled over for another reason people could get charged with not wearing their belt. As time went by and people got used to that freedom being taken away from them, the police now set up those "click it or ticket" programs aimed at giving tickets to people not wearing seat belts. Bit by bit, freedoms and rights are being lost, partly because we sit back and allow it. Like this "spy" camera issue. If most people don't care, the goverment will continue to infiltrate more and more into our personal lives.

Freedom lost?

Freedom to die?

What an excellent freedom to defend.

T.

EvilForce

Running a red light and getting caught by an officer...yes 3 points.

Getting your "picture" taken running a red light camera.....no points, and a simple fine.

Here in NC you usually always hire a lawyer to "handle" speeding tickets...because they are so severe on your license and insurance. They will knock it down to a "careless driving" and only 1 point. Assuming it wasn't too outraegous speed wise. If it's over 15 over usually then you can have the option of wasting 4 hours in a "safe driver class" and have it reduced to 1 point .... but no insurance raise.

Ah here I found the info.... Citations will carry a $50 fine with an additional $50 penalty if the fine is not paid within a specified period. No driver's license or insurance points will be assessed. Net proceeds will go to public schools. Those who believe they received the citation by mistake have the right to appeal.

144001

"And yes, you read that right, the police or the DA doesn't hand out the tickets, the third party camera operating company does." -- Undercover - re: camera tickets for red light violations in North Carolina.

"Running a red light and getting caught by an officer...yes 3 points. Getting your "picture" taken running a red light camera.....no points, and a simple fine." -- Evil Force (above)

I think I get it now. Here in California, a law enforcement officer cannot cite you for an infraction that he/she did not actually observe you committing. I'm guessing that the reason for the disparity in NC law regarding running red lights is that the cameras, as asserted by "Undercover" in this thread, are managed by a private company that issues the tickets instead of police officers.

144001

"Freedom lost?

Freedom to die?

What an excellent freedom to defend."

Rather than choosing which freedoms are worthy of preservation, the focus ought to be on choosing which restrictions on freedom are absolutely necessary, after considering the cost and benefits of such restrictions.

Too many of us are forgetting that we live in the United States of America, a country where freedom was purchased with the blood of multitudes of young men. Let's respect and preserve the freedom they fought for.

EvilForce

144001 - good post..... I did get your PM's but cannot respond to them... but no worries.

I know I can get a little "heated" sometimes. I feel it's imortant to be passionate about what you believe in. No harm no foul :)

144001

Thanks, Evil. Passion is the spice of life. Without it, life would be as dull as a Sunday in a kingdom hall.

heathen

Yah , I'm opposed to those camera opperated spy cameras that some states put at red lights . I can see cameras on , let's say, public transportation like the subways and they do have them at air ports .What I'm affraid of is the abuse of power that comes out of things like this . I already feel as if big brother is in my house watching everything I do and harassing me any way they can think of . I guess there really isn't much to worry about in public but I don't want to see big brother make people hit check points and have to plot a daily outline for their activities to the government . I've heard that it's something europe is trying to pass including microchips and retinal scans . I mean come on people let's not let fear ruin and rule our lives to the point we want to be observed every minute of every day .

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