by Gill 57 Replies latest jw friends
Is the generation that saw 1914, now dead and gone?
If they were born in 1900, they'd be 105 now and there are not many of these people left.
If they were born in 1914 they'd be 91 and there are not many of these left either.
Can we say that the early light of Russell and Rutherford, and Nathor Knowrr is well and truly disproved?
Can we say it's just a matter of time before the new light is also disproved?
And then what for the WTBTS?
The reason for my asking this simpleton question is:
I was thinking about my relatives who are roughly my age having been JWs from birth, so really they are a little closer than new comers to knowing the truth of the origins of the WTBTS. They're pretty intelligent.
I wondered when they may begin doing 'the math' and work out how long ago it is since 1874 and how long ago since 1914 and then, maybe, wonder?
When will they do the Math!!!!!!!?????????
Sorry Gill I don't quite follow.
1995 saw the end of wts saying the generation of 1914 was literal....
Taken from Crisis for Conscience: Watchtower November 1 - 1995...They unlinked the phrased "this generation" from the date of 1914, but retained the date as biblically significant.. Rather than having parameters of time limitations or any set starting point, the "generation" is instead said t be identified, not temorally, but qualityely, by its chracteristics, as in the ferenece to an "evil adn adulterous generation" in Jesus' time. " this generation" is now said to be "the peoples of earth who see the sign of Christ's presence but fail to mend their wasy."....
I get so sick of their lies.
The whole concept of a 1914 final generation was wrong and based on absurd arbitrary calculations, even involving occult arts, and when time proved it wrong they tried to salvage it by coming up with the unnatural and strained concept of the non literal generation, after having claimed for over a century that it was a literal one. Is that what Jesus had in mind when he was talking about the generation of the end?
Since they have a very long history of deceiving people anything they say is untrustworthy in the extreme.
Hi, doofdaddy - absolutely yes. I realise that and remember thinking it strange at the time. But that has NOT stopped them saying that Armageddon is coming VERY SOON. In effect, nothing has changed.
LouBelle - yes, the sign of Christ's Presence again. And nothing, again has changed since it's all happening SOON.
Greendawn - I'm with you on the deception part completely and still boggles my mind as the day I discovered it, how Russell came up with the 1914 date.
However, they still say Armageddon is coming SOON and to be prepared for it at any time. When will a person who has been hearing this since, as an arbitrary date, say 1970, start thinking 'what does soon mean?'
If the generation that saw the generation, that saw the generation of 1914 dies out in say forty to fifty years is that how long it will take for the word LIARS to be shouted at the WTBTS from the roof tops?
I'd like to think that I'll still be alive to see that day and the day relatives also see the facts.
Good on you Gill.
I reckon in a few years time a two page article in the back of the wt will have a three line statement. 1914?1914? That was a 100yr old typo. We meant to write 2014. Then the waiting all starts again.
A little like the Matrix movie... Don't worry, it's just a readjustment in the Matrix
doofdaddy! - LOL 'readjustment in the matrix'. Scarily possible!
Gill if I understand correctly with the new wily concept about the last generation they are trying to buy themselves unlimited time. They are desperately trying to keep up the sense of urgency because it is vital to their success as an organisation, which is a big business really. But there is nothing in their new concept that logically leads to an imminent end, it could be near but it could be far (when does a symbolic God defying generation finish it could be many literal generations long?).
Likewise all christian religions always believed in the second coming but they don't know when it will be, they don't set dates as the JWs were doing from 1878 to 1995. It's only the JWs that go on talking about the signs of Christ's second presence. No one else can see them because they are just in their imagination.
The JW I study with accepts that what Jesus was prophesying was about the end of the Jewish state, destruction of Jerusalem, etc when there were also false prophets. He tells me a million Jews went into the hills in about 67CE and then the destruction in 70CE, inc the Romans defiling the holy place, all this fulfilled prophecy. This has always been quite apparent. So what Jesus warned about was actually fulfilled in the generation of those he spoke to. There may of course a deeper spiritual meaning about when this universe (not just the world) ends, and another about accepting Christ when he calls unexpectedly in our lives - stay awake!. The poor JWs have really got all this around their necks. Why not just say the are not sure what it means, like the rest of us.
The generation referred to by Jesus was plainly a litereal one which died out, but not before the literal aspect of the prophesy came to pass. True the prophesy had deeper levels too, but not another literal one. (same use of the word generation as earlier in Mathew). Please read it, it is clear to anyone not indoctrinated.
