i need some skeptic input... dreams that come true (page 7)

Jeffro

In the dream state, we can all do what some call astrotravel.

Anyone can dream about an out of body experience. It's a dream. Is there any reputable evidence that anyone has ever actually left their body?

Try your local book store. I think you will find it very interesting.

Why would I want to supplement the income of some author writing about some dubious theory. It seems that the only benefit derived from so called 'astral travelling' (although apparently some call it 'astrotravelling') is book sales. At least the Watchtower will give me fairytales for free.

sonnyboy

You are suggesting that there is a mystical spiritual force that gave you premonitions of an incidental event that had no real significance. If these experiences are attributed to such a powerful force, why can't this amazing powerful force do something a little more worthwhile than giving vacation previews.

I believe the dream and the event did have significance, although I'm not exactly sure what it could be. That's not the only dream I've had of the place...I won't go into any more details since your mind doesn't seem very open, but it's made me rethink my stance on reincarnation (or at least be more objective about it). I've been compelled to return a few more times and see something 'new and familiar' every time I go there. This is just one of many examples I could give of possible psychic phenomena I've experienced throughout my life which go beyond deja vu. If there is a spiritual force at work, perhaps it's not a cognitive lifeform, but an extension of ourselves.

There's nothing wrong with being skeptical, but we should at least be open to the possibility that the world may not exist in black and white.

Jeffro

I won't go into any more details since your mind doesn't seem very open

Your veiled insult is noted and appropriately ignored.

There's nothing wrong with being skeptical, but we should at least be open to the possibility that the world may not exist in black and white.

Having an open mind does not mean accepting everything in credulity. Perhaps while astral travelling I will encounter some time-travelling aliens abducting people with shimmering auras who saw this in their tea leaves. Then maybe I'll drift among some lost souls waiting to be reincarnated as gnats.

Without any proof for any of such things, why should I believe one over the other? Therefore must I believe all of them to be credited with an open mind? Ludicrous.

LuckyNun

I have had this experience a few times, always some mundane thing. like I dreamed about the new desks we were going to have after Winter Break when I was in sixth grade. and when I worked in fast food, I had a dream about the new menu board, and I was able to punch in this lady's order before she asked for it. she wasn't a regular, I just knew she was going to order a certain value meal and I was going to have to look back at the board to see what the new number was. maybe it was my brain fast-forwarding by accident, I don't know. we'll find out when we die, I guess.

why can't I dream about Lotto numbers or finding a duffel bag of cash? instead I have psychic dreams about blue plastic chairs and bacon cheeseburgers!

Jeffro

Reckon you can dream me up one of those bags of cash? Or maybe just the bacon cheeseburger? So long as it's free. ;)

skyman

I can say one thing this has been interesting reading all the post. I believe that we dream thousands of dream in a years time it is only rational that we will dream something that will actually happen in our life. So dreams don't prove anything. Even the dream I mention earlier in one of my post on this thread. I keep hearing there is no proof. But there is proof. I watched a program that did a study if you could anticipate something before in happens. Yes we can the study put electrodes on the person then show them pictures of either a pleasant scene or a unpleasant scene. We have the ablity to know in advance that we will see something unpleasant and we react before we actually see it. It is only by a few milliseconds but we react before we actually see the pictures. This study has been redone several times with the same results. So there is proof.

I personnally don't know what to believe. I need to have scientific explantions for everything. My wife she has these dreams at different times in our life and she is scary as to how accurate she has been. I know I will listen to her if she ever tells me not to do something because she had a bad dream. So I am on both sides of the fence. I agree with both arguments.

Jeffro

skyman, that study does sound interesting.

Generally speaking, people would be more apprehensive about being confronted by an unpleasant scene and therefore it is likely that most of the pre-empted responses would be to indicate that they fear that an unpleasant scene awaits them. It is similar to someone feeling a spike of fear just before they turn on a lightswitch expecting to see something they're afraid of.

Did the study reveal whether there were many incorrectly expected unpleasant scenes?

sonnyboy

Your veiled insult is noted and appropriately ignored.

Oh, please. Your judgmental comments could be construed as nothing more than insults.

Save your condescending rhetoric for someone who cares. You are indeed very closed-minded, and there is no veiling that fact. You've made it abundantly clear on more than one occasion.

I'm not asking you to believe anyting. Personally, I don't know you nor do I care to. I'm simply stating a few deeply personal experiences in my life while you condemn them as trivial. What you choose to believe is ultimately your choice. It makes no difference to me.

Jeffro

Sonnyboy,

Oh, please. Your judgmental comments could be construed as nothing more than insults.

Dismissive, maybe. Judgmental, no. Because I don't believe in something that you feel is real, you call me closed-minded. Yet many many others would call you closed-minded for your statement that it is "dubious that the Christian god exists".

I'm simply stating a few deeply personal experiences in my life while you condemn them as trivial.

As you attributed no special signficance to the events that you described in your dreams, there was no reason to view them as anything but trivial. If I didn't read between the lines correctly I apologize for upsetting you.

My last post in this thread illustrated the fact that it is unrealistic to simultaneously believe in all aspects of paranormal or supernatural phenomena, and for that reason was intentionally condescending in nature. The point is, one cannot be expected to accept something as possible where there is no evidence to support it simply because someone else believes it, especially since some forms of paranormal belief are mutually exclusive.

LittleToe

Jeffro:
Is it a pride thing, that causes you not to listen?

How many people have you now disuaded from bothering debating with you?
I did warn you about the condescension thing.
But, hey, it's your life...

Meanwhile, perhaps you could elucidate on this point:

...some forms of paranormal belief are mutually exclusive.

Gyles:
I'll see if I can find it. I'm not adverse to a little escapism, on occasion

i need some skeptic input... dreams that come true

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