do JWs believe in dinosaurs? (page 10)

hibiscusfire

EARTH'S MAGNETIC FIELD

The earth's magnetic field provides important protection from harmful cosmic radiation.

Complete flapdoodle, Hib. Both the salinity and magnetic argument. If I thought you'd actually be open to discussing science I'd be happy to reply. Neither of your claims are even remotely based in reality.

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As to your question of why I'm an atheist (by the way, you are ignoring the most pressing aspect of that post which had some small chance of making our discussion productive), I could follow your logic and say that I'm an atheist because there are no gods. They were all made up. But, being more generous than that, many people want me to believe that their god is real, and let them use that belief to make the world the way they want without actually basing decisions on what works in reality for everyone. However, none of them are much more convincing than any others. I say that after 14 years in an Evangelical Lutheran education, 8 years as a JW, where I spent thousands of hours in ministry work in 2 languages and 3 continents meeting people of all different belief systems, and traveling to some very poor developing nations. So, I don't believe in any gods because the claims made by religious people either can not be known or are in conflict with what we can know about history and science.

If you are willing to take on looking into your beliefs, then I would direct you to the words of Stalin, in that it is not enough to hear your opponent's view presented by one who doesn't agree with it. To truly understand an issue you must hear the contrary arguments as stated by their most capable proponents. I know this is true, because it is the way I left Jehovah's Witnesses.

greendawn

Spook you are right one has to hear the opponents argument from the most capable apologists of their ideology. But why are the sea salinity and earth magnetism arguments so unscientific?

Spook

Greendawn,

These arguments are sophistry. In other words, they sound convincing and scientific on the surface level, but there is actually no substance to them. Usually the answer to such a claim is that "it's not nearly so simple as that." Often an error in looking at these sorts of claims can be picked out by seeing that the claim is cartesian in nature. That means that it's sort of a linear expectation of how things should be, such as a measure of salinity or magnetism. Only rarely is this the case in reality.

Indeed, in the cases above, most of the statements on magnetism and salinity are patently untrue. The problem is that it takes ten pages of truth to deal with one sentence of lies.

I really invite you to look into these for yourself from some legitimate sources that aren't even dealing with the issue of YEC or any pro/con theology. As you come to realize how much the sources of this kind of stuff distort things, I think you'll be surprised.

hibiscusfire

Spook:

Indeed, in the cases above, most of the statements on magnetism and salinity are patently untrue.

Exactly what is untrue? How do you know for sure?

Hibiscusfire

gringojj

Hib why havent you answered happy guys questions?

hibiscusfire

Scientists estimate the desert to be about 4000 years old.
See: Potsdam Institute for Climate Impact Research in Germany. July 15, 1999 Geophysical Research Letters.

The Sahara desert is the largest desert on Earth. The Sahara Desert has a prevailing wind pattern. The wind almost blows the same way. The hot wind of the desert cooks the trees at the edge and they die and that area becomes desert. Once the soil is sterilized, it is done for. Deserts grow on themselves. This process is called desertification. The Sahara desert is 1300 miles North to South. It grows 4 miles per year.

The Sahara Desert has a prevailing wind pattern. The wind almost always blows the
same way. This causes the desert to grow. This process is called desertification.

If the Earth is billions of years old, why don't we have a bigger desert someplace?

Why is the biggest desert in the world only 4,000 years old?
(Ans: The Biblical flood about 4,000 years ago!)

Hibiscusfire

greendawn

I am doing a lot of research on the creationism-evolution controversy and I am now leaning in the direction of creationism.

I suppose if the salinity of the oceans doesn't increase linearly there must be a mechanism for removing the incoming salt and the magnetism changes cyclically perhaps?

hibiscusfire

Dinosaurs once roamed the earth but not billions of years ago. Like wise why didn't the gorilla in the zoo show features of evolving?

AlanF

Hibiscusfire appears to be taking its nonsense from the particularly idiotic material published by Ken Ham and associates.

According to these morons, T-Rexes existed in England until just a few hundred years ago. You don't believe it? The monster Grendel in the legend of Beowulf was a T-Rex!

AlanF

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