FATAL ASSUMPTIONS (page 3)

ianao

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joelbear

You Know says:

The definition of an apostate is one who falls away from devotion to Jehovah.

Joelbear says:

I doubt this is the Watchtower society definition of an apostate. Where is this definition in the Bible?

If this definition is true, then I guess that includes people who leave to join another religion, people who disfellowshipped for moral code violations and never return, inactive people who just lose interest and don't want to be bothered anymore, etc. etc. etc. I assume people who have just studied can't be apostate or can they? How many meetings does one attend before they are assigned "devoted to Jehovah" status. Just because someone is baptized doesn't mean they are devoted to Jehovah.

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Joel

Fredhall

bboyneko,

That is not a picture of hell. That is heaven.

bboyneko

a·pos·tate (-pstt, -tt)
n.
One who has abandoned one's religious faith, a political party, one's principles, or a cause.
[Middle English, from Old French, from Late Latin apostata, from Greek apostats, from aphistanai, to revolt.]
a·pos·ta·sy (-pst-s)
n. pl. a·pos·ta·sies
Abandonment of one's religious faith, a political party, one's principles, or a cause.
[Middle English apostasie, from Old French, from Late Latin apostasia, defection, from Late Greek apostasi, from Greek apostasis, revolt, from aphistanai, aposta-, to revolt : apo-, apo- + histanai, to stand, place; see st- in Indo-European Roots.]

Hmmmm..these dictionary definitions do not seem to agree at all with your definition. By the official, standard dictionary definition, if you were catholic befroe you became a JW you are an apostate. Plain and simple. If you were 'worldy' with no religion, you fit under the definition of apostate.

The definition of an apostate is one who falls away from devotion to Jehovah.

Are you sure all who left the Watchtower also left God? THis is a principal problem with the society. YOu equate being in a club as being faithful to God. Leaving the club is the same as leaving god to you. This is clearly contrary to bible teaching.

Matthew 23
8 "But you are not to be called `Rabbi,' for you have only one Master and you are all brothers.
9 And do not call anyone on earth `father,' for you have one Father, and he is in heaven.
10 Nor are you to be called `teacher,' for you have one Teacher, the Christ

The watchtower says it is apostacy to claim that you need only the bible to be in good standing with god. That you must be in the organization to be saved. That is true herecy.

-Dan

Winston

You Know,

You assume way too much.

ass you me.(assume)

Why not reavailuate your stand on what an apostate really is from the Bible, not some made up unbiblical rule(arbitrary).

So much hot air we should be able to get our balloon airborne now.

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GodRules

ianao: lol :-)

Winston

You Know,

Do you think by a strange coincidence you picked this topic "Fatal assumptions".

I mean it just dawned on me You K. your the one who has made the Fatal Ass..

What does the Bible say about Judging?
What will happen to us if we Judge some one as a Apostate and they are not?

Could that be a Fatal Ass. Could it be? Think You Know!

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You Know

To INDIVIDUAL:

When you look around the world there are a lot of good people, I would say that the majority of people are sincere, honesthearted and genuine, many of whom truly love God and Jesus Christ in their own religions.

That is your opinion. God's judgment is something else. Obviously you chose to overlook the rampant wickedness and immorality that exist in the world. Most apostates are themselves grossly immoral as is evident in this forum. As it says at Romans the 1st chapter, that even though you know full well God's decree that those practicing such things are deserving of death, you support and encourage those who defy God's law. So it should be evident that an apostate's opinion of the way the world is is absolutely worthless.

The only people that I know that long to see them destroyed are JWs.

You are laboring under the fatal assumption that God approves of this world. He doesn't. His will is that this wicked and dying system be replaced with a perfect world of peace and beauty. Only a truly wicked person would not want God to repace this world with one of his making.

People used to go out looking for a house to own after Armageddon and I've experienced this with people I've worked with so you cannot say it doesnt happen. How can you say their heart condition is right and better than those they are preaching to??

More fatal assumptions on your part. God's yet-to-be-revealed judgment is based upon something totally beyond your grasp. I shall not waste my time trying to disabuse you of your own folly.

If God brought Armageddon now it would be a massive failure on his part, a failure to reach peoples hearts because he has decided to use a corrupt organisation whose faults have revealed consistently on this board.

Apostates are laboring under enormous fallacies and fatal assumptions. You have this idiotic idea that Jehovah just shows up one fine day and starts slaughtering people. This is one of the most imbecilic and blasphemous notions. The truth is far from that. God's word indicates instead that there is a Great Tribulation that comes upon this system as a result of the culmination of human greed and stupidity. Even now the world is like a powder keg with a lit fuse burning down to the quick. There are easily enough nuclear, chemical, and biological weaponry to annihilate mankind many times over. Only God can save mankind out of the mess that they have gotten in to, but someone's going to have to pay the price for the way things are.

Yet the apostate buffoon would shake his tiny little fist at God for decreeing that such an evil and corrupt civilization shall suffer the fruitage of its own death-dealing ways, and of course you would also curse God for not intervening to save your world from its own inglorious and long-overdo demise.

Nonetheless, the judgment of God is perfect and just in every way because it allows for this system to finally implode upon itself in a genocidal holocaust of unimaginable horror, while at the same time making salvation possible for any who choose the terms God sets out. While at this point it is no doubt incomprehensible to you that this system could ever fail, even though it is obvious that the system is in the process of failing at this very moment, but that is just wishful thinking on your part that everything is okay---except of course that Jehovah's Witnesses keep pointing out unpleasant facts regarding this world's judgment. At any rate, Jehovah long ago foresaw how human wickedness would ultimately play out. He knew all along that the post-flood civilization would eventually end in mankind's worst nightmare. He also foresaw how apostates would viciously deny the truth of God's impending judgments. Appropriately, in the end the Devil's children are simply going to eat each other when God turns up the heat by allowing the forces of darkness their final hour. God will use this world's undoing as a means to force the issues. Most people will amazing choose to cling to this dying system even during the holocaust, thereby justifying Jehovah's liquidation of the whole shebang. That final liquidation is Armageddon.

In reality, the world you love and trust and desperately want to continue on will be your own undoing. Such is as it should be. God simply allows the demonically motivated powers of this system to act as his executioner. It has happened many times in the past in Bible times. The Assyrians, Babylonian, and Roman empires have all served as God's punishing agents. It is the nature of the beast-like governments to kill. Even in recent times communists have destroyed millions and millions of people, perhaps as many as 100 million. It is no coincidence that the oligachical powers behind the drive for world governement have as their official policy the reduction of the earth's population by about 80%. The Bible in fact says that God will make mortal man "rarer than refined gold." The difference is that during the tribulation Jehovah will step in to serve as a refuge for his people who have the faith to call upon his name. Obviously that would be out of the question for apostate enemies of Jehovah. / You Know

Winston

You Know,

What about you Fatal Ass ump tion?

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bboyneko 2

If god 'allows' someone to murder someone he has sentenced to death, or if he smites the offender himself, what difference does it make?

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