The 1914 Doctrine and The Threat of the Egibi Business Tablets

by VM44 349 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

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  Alleymom

  No, you are not a demon inspired hater of Jehovah but I hope you are a searcher and a lover of truth and ones' salvation is not determined by a certain creed or doctrine there is personal responsibility for each one to search for Jehovah and learn the truth revealed in his Word, by his Holy Spirit and by his organization. How each one stands at that final hour is a matter between God, his Son and the individual concerned.

  Neil --

  My faith is this:

  I have been saved by grace, through faith in Christ Jesus, who loved me and gave himself for me. Jesus bore my sins in his body on the tree. It is because of his great love for me that God, who is rich in mercy, made me alive with Christ even when I was dead in sin. Now I live to serve him.

  Therefore, there is now no condemnation for me. I have been set free from the law of sin and death. I have been adopted into God's family. His Spirit within me cries, "Abba, father" and testifies that I am God's child.

  The Scripture says that if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Christ. But Christ is in me, the hope of glory. And since the Spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead is living in me, I have faith that he who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to my mortal body through his Spirit, who lives in me.

  Isn't this the faith that was taught by the New Testament church?

  Regards,
  Marjorie
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  gumby

  Scholar,

  Our organization is based on Christian freedom.

  What kind of freedom Scholar? Freedom to understand the scriptures in your own personal way? Freedom to believe the way the scriptures are revealed in your own mind and heart? If all the Jehovahs Witnesses in the world did as you are doing.....their own private re-search and then making a personal decision based on those findings......would the WTBTS honor that?

  Your not fooling anyone here Scholar. Anyone who independantly deviates from Watchtower teachings is an apostate period.....especially if one promotes their personal beliefs as you are doing as your earlier statements reveal.

  Such a sincere and humble individual would not seek to promote his views to others especially if the material is of a controversial nature.

  Do you hear yourself? Does the 607 date have a "controversial nature".? Where is your christian freedom in this statement of yours? So....you can submit material to the society to consider.......just make sure it's not a controversial one eh? Now that's what I call christian freedom!
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  scholar

  Alleymom

  Marjorie

  Broadly speaking you have well summed up the faith of the New Testament Church but you fail to explain your service to Christ. Jesus commanded his disciples to preach and teach people the good news of the kingdom and that the New Testament Church as the body of Christ would also exalt Jehovah's name. These fundamentals of Christian Doctrine and Mission are only represented in the present context by Jehovah's Witnesses.

  scholar JW
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  Leolaia

  Your sarcasm is funny. I am not seeking a change in teaching or promoting some new doctrine for my research into the Hebrew word malkut simply illuminates the use of 'kingship' in Daniel 1:1 Such material may be of interest to Writing Committee and I would be happy to submit such information or I can use it to defend our accurate chronology in the course of my ministry.

  In any event I believe that such material defeats the Jonsson hypothesis because it is based on an erroneous interpretation of the biblical history for the Late Judean Period or at the very least an interpretation of that critical period.

  Intellectual contributions submitted in the appropriate manner are indeed welcomed by the brothers and one should patiently and humbly leave such matters in the hands of those responsible. It would seem that your criticism is mis-directed and perhaps you are confusing us with some other cult.

  scholar JW
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  gumby

  You certainly have not found Christian freedom because you are a slave to false teachings and misrepresentations. Our organization indeed encourages private Bible reading, research and understanding within the context of holding to the pattern of revealed truth of healthful words. My research does not contradict our teachings but is simply a defense of the NWT and biblical history and such information would indeed be fully appreciated by those taking the lead. This research in my view completely destroys the Jonsson hypothesis because it is based upon a flawed interpretation of biblical history.

  The paradox that I have raised is that Jonsson has based his attack on WT chronology on the translation of a single Hebrew preposition in the case of Jeremiah 29:10. Scholar bases his criticism of the Jonsson hypothesis on the translation of a single Hebrew noun in Daniel 1:1

  Ain't life grand!!!!

  scholar JW
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  kid-A

  Scholar bases his criticism of the Jonsson hypothesis on the translation of a single Hebrew noun in Daniel 1:1

  .......yawn.........
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  Leolaia

  It would seem that your criticism is mis-directed and perhaps you are confusing us with some other cult.

  LMAO!!

  You're right...I should've been thinking of your cult, my mistake!
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  gumby

  Our organization indeed encourages private Bible reading, research and understanding within the context of holding to the pattern of revealed truth of healthful words.

  
  

  
  You mean...."the revealed truth the governing body approves of"....correct? Since they have never been wrong before.....how can you lose....eh?

  This research in my view completely destroys the Jonsson hypothesis because it is based upon a flawed interpretation of biblical history.

  Jonsson wouldn't have felt the need to do as he did had not your organisation claimed sole rulership of the scriptures and sold false hopes to people. Even if his hypothosis is flawed......does it matter from a true christians point of veiw. If so....why?

  Jesus would have been happier if you guys had simply told people to 'always keep on the watch'...rather than set a time period with a date tied to it.......I seriously don't think he cares that you get the fall of Jerusalem correct or not.

  I'll say one thing Scholar.....I do appreciate the fact you'll discuss some things and keep your cool ...for the most part.

  Gumby
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  Jeffro

  Our organization is based on Christian freedom and if an individual has an intellectual contribution then that should be prepared in a proper format as one would do if his research was to be submitted as paper to a journal publisher. Then such a sincere person would send a covering letter with the material and simply leave the matter in the hands of those responsible for the writing up of articles such as the Writing Committee of the Governing Body. Such a sincere and humble individual would not seek to promote his views to others especially if the material is of a controversial nature.

  Scholar, your claim here is drivel, and I know first-hand. If you write a letter to the Society with questions and detailed information that conflicts with their doctrines, they send you a reply trying to say you are wrong, without any actual evidence, and they send it via the local elders so they can try to make you acquiesce with what you know to be wrong. Of course, to this you will reply that it must have been the wording of the letter, but that will just be your preconceived ideas getting in the way of what you know absolutely know nothing about.
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  Jeffro

  Hardly, I have seen many letters addressed to the Society and the Society's replies which have been posted on various forums. Many such letters are long and argumentative and the Society responds to such honest and humble inquiries in a simple and clear matter. They have no intention of getting into long arguments about matters which in most cases are clearly explained in our literature.

  The most difficult of all subjects is chronology and that as a subject of much complexity for all genuine inquirers, it is better to stick to the facts presented in the Bible and avoid assumptions of which are many. But individual brothers and the public are welcome to write questions and they will receive a suitable reply.

  scholar JW