Watchtower Gives Up Explaining 607 BCE Date! (page 19)

Jeffro

Jonsson admits in agreement with that of celebrated WT scholars that the ancient historians are guilty of making contradictory statements.

If historians are so contradictory, then the Society is in like company.

Insight on the Scriptures, volume 1, page 463, subheading Chronology (From 607 B.C.E. to return from exile), after quoting Jeremiah 25:8-11, states:

The Bible prophecy does not allow for the application of the 70-year period to any time other than that between the desolation of Judah, accompanying Jerusalem’s destruction, and the return of the Jewish exiles to their homeland as a result of Cyrus’ decree. It clearly specifies that the 70 years would be years of devastation of the land of Judah.

Isaiah's Prophecy - Light for all Mankind, volume 1, chapter 19, page 253, after quoting Jeremiah 25:8-17, states:

True, the island-city of Tyre is not subject to Babylon for a full 70 years, since the Babylonian Empire falls in 539 B.C.E. Evidently, the 70 years represents the period of Babylonia’s greatest domination

Alleymom

That was rather a silly comment to make about me that I was not interested in reading any of the scholarship on the reigns of the Neo-Babylonian kings.

Neil ---

I am sorry for hurting your feelings.

In the course of our discussions over the last few years, I have gained the impression that your research does not include technical reading in the field of the cuneiform documents. You do not seem to be acquainted with the work of the scholars I read. I thought you were restricting your reading to other areas.

The last two times I brought up names, you found a footnote or reference in Furuli or COJ. But you have never indicated that you are actually familiar with these scholars' writings.

Have you read any of the reports on NBC 4897, for instance? I am not asking if you have read *about NBC 4897 in Gentile Times Reconsidered. I am asking if you have read any of the actual studies, such as the one I recently cited from the Journal of Cuneiform Studies?

If you are interested in reading actual studies, I have given references before and I would be happy to give references again, along with email addresses for the scholars who have written the articles.

Regards,
Marjorie

scholar

Alleymom

Marjorie

You have noy hurt my feelings for I am a big boy and not a girly-man. I have access to the Journal of Cunieform and Semitic Studies and I do intend to read the relevant articles to this period of Babylonian history, make photocopies and file such in my data-base. I take note of your references and I will also be waiting upon Furuli's reaearch as well.

scholar JW

scholar

Jeffro

For your information Jeremiah 25:8-11 applies to Judah alone and Jeremiah 25:8-17 is a prophecy that was to fulfilled to the nations. Such servitude applied in the case of Tyre. These are two different examples with the common element of servitude which as Ihave stated was a principal element of the seventy years formula=SERVITUDE-DESOLATION -EXILE.

scholar JW

Narkissos

Déjà vu:

Jeremiah 25:8-11 applies to Judah alone

Therefore thus says the LORD of hosts: Because you have not obeyed my words, I am going to send for all the tribes of the north, says the LORD, even for King Nebuchadrezzar of Babylon, my servant, and I will bring them against this land and its inhabitants, and against all these nations around; I will utterly destroy them, and make them an object of horror and of hissing, and an everlasting disgrace. And I will banish from them the sound of mirth and the sound of gladness, the voice of the bridegroom and the voice of the bride, the sound of the millstones and the light of the lamp. This whole land shall become a ruin and a waste, and these nations shall serve the king of Babylon seventy years.

OldSoul

Scholar,

Did you realize there is not a single verse in Jeremiah 25:8-17 that even MENTIONS Judah and Jerusalem? When it gets to the part where they are mentioned, they mentioned along with ALL THE REST of the nations.

Are you really unable to read the Bible? Do they have that strong a hold over your mind?

OldSoul

Hellrider

These are two different examples with the common element of servitude which as Ihave stated was a principal element of the seventy years formula=SERVITUDE-DESOLATION -EXILE.
scholar JW

The basis of yours and the "celebrated WT scholars" error, is your misunderstanding of these words, "servitude, desolation, exile". These words do not mean "a Temple in ruins, and all the people of the land taken away". Jeremiah 52 even disproves the notion that "all people would be removed", as there were prisoners taken away even in Nebuchadnezzars 23rd year. This proves that "desolation" doesn`t mean "a wasteland with no Temple and no people". It means simply a country depopulated, and under the rule of a foreign power. It has nothing to do with whether the Temple stood, or not.

But you`re never going to understand that.

Jeffro

For your information Jeremiah 25:8-11 applies to Judah alone and Jeremiah 25:8-17 is a prophecy that was to fulfilled to the nations. Such servitude applied in the case of Tyre. These are two different examples with the common element of servitude which as Ihave stated was a principal element of the seventy years formula=SERVITUDE-DESOLATION -EXILE.

Surely you realised that is complete rubbish. The "cup of the wine of rage" in verse 15 is the desolation of "these nations" (v11) defined in verses 8-11. Otherwise, what exactly was it that Jeremiah was to 'give the nations to drink'? (v15)? Verse 9 clearly connects with verse 16, and verse 11 refers to "these nations" for the 70 years. Anyone with even the most basic of reading comprehension has no justification for applying verses 8-11 to only Judah.

Rabbit

None of this matters.

Scholar has 'clay feet' with his foundation of 'celebrated WT scholars.'

The Bible itself is a 'clay' foundation...easy to disprove and impossible to prove.

*sigh* Hell, get it out of your system...

Alleymom

http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/54983/830147/post.ashx#830147

This post and many of the other ones in the old Furuli thread are of relevance to this discussion.

Marjorie

Watchtower Gives Up Explaining 607 BCE Date!

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