AF,
:: I find it amazing how someone can type so many words and say nothing. Not one thing you typed PROVES (apodictically or otherwise) that Brother Russell called himself: "God's mouthpiece." That was your original contention, AF. Are did you want us to miss the wood for all the trees you planted in that last submission?
:No, Dummy, I are [sic] did not want you to miss any wood (please note that the expression is not about wood, but woods; you do know that there's a difference, I hope). In fact, I gave complete quotes of the discussion, enough for you not to have made such a stupid error as you did here [awkward phrasing]. The point I made about Russell claiming to be "God's mouthpiece" was not something you challenged [Wrong!]. Therefore it needed no justification [Wrong!]. Had you challenged that particular claim, I would certainly have provided the documentation, as I do below. Let me point out just what sentences you have not understood, by bolding the appropriate ones in the material in my first post in this thread:
You evidently do not possess a basic knowledge of English. One can use the term "wood" in English to describe a forest. Methinks you need to beg MIT for some of that money you evidently spent on English and history classes.
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:::: ... JW leaders claim to be in their positions not because of a promise made to one of their ancestors, but because JW (more properly, Bible Student) leaders from roughly 1880 to 1919 were so superior in every important way to other Christians that God selected them as his special earthly spokesmen.
::: I do not think that your statement aptly describes the attitude of JW leadership. The Proclaimers book shows that other groups had a measure of the truth besides the Bible Students. But Russell thought that JWs were able to piece more of the biblical puzzle together through God's spirit. Russell and other men at that time believed that God's favor shone on them because of the scriptural understanding they had acquired. However, Russell was not haughty about the gems of truth available to the Bible Students at that time.
:: Of course he was. Would you like me to produce reams of documentation to prove it?
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Note the basic flow of thought here:
Dummy: Russell wasn't haughty.
AlanF: Sure he was. I can prove it with quotes.
Then I expanded on my claim with further statements about Russell's teachings:
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:: He called himself "God's mouthpiece". He taught that anyone who failed to read his books would, within two years, "go off into darkness". If I told you, dunsscot, that I was God's mouthpiece and that if you didn't study and apply my writings every day you'd go off into darkness in short order, you'd rightly claim that I was haughty. You display a double standard here.
: Calling oneself "God's mouthpiece" does not mean one is necessarily haughty. Of course, I would expect documentation for such a claim and for the statement concerning Russell's books. One or two pieces of evidence will do. But the historical evidence shows that Russell was a humble brother...
How could you make such a rudimentary mistake, AF? I clearly wrote: "Calling oneself 'God's mouthpiece' does not mean one is necessarily haughty. Of course, ***I would expect documentation for such a claim*** AND for the statement concerning Russell's books. One or two pieces of evidence will do."
Are you having a problem understanding Standard or non-Standard English again?
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:Since I had made a statement about providing documentation proving that Russell was haughty, and Dummy asked me to produce it, that's exactly what I did. Dummy certainly did not ask for documentation about Russell's calling himself "God's mouthpiece", and so I did not feel it necessary to produce it.:
I think you are either blind or obtuse or both. My request was crytal clear. How could you misunderstand what I was saying, AF?
:I did miss Dummy's request for documentation about "the statement concerning Russell's books", and for that I repent in dust and ashes.:
That is not the only thing you missed.
More on your quotes later,
Dan
Duns the Scot
"Nobody is taller than himself or herself."