Did Noahs Ark drift about aimlessly in the Great Flood? (page 5)

OldSoul

Having fun with the black propaganda, googlemagoogle?

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The Society has published several times (w 1/7/74, w 15/7/68, g 8/2/91, g 22/7/85, g 8/10/83, g 8/5/76, g 8/6/75, gm, ce), that they believe that animals quick-frozen with undigested food in their stomachs (that normal people would attribute to an ice age) died in Noah's flood (eg " The logical answer is that it came with the rapid change that occurred at the time of the Flood.")

If that is the case, the water would also freeze, and with the temperatures for snap-freezing the animlas, it is also unlikely that the Ark would provide sufficient insulation to keep the occupants from freezing to death.

skinnyboy

a great topic, there was something on the History Channel about this the other week and the countless "expeditions" to Ararat to try and find it!

Now my thoughts...

Now, I call myself a critic maybe a skeptic, but mainly a realist. I see the physical world around me, i read the facts based on cold hard science, and The Great Flood to me just seems to be fables reapeated around the world, hazily connected by dubious sources intent on trying to prove its occurance. When was the last time you saw a real ridgy -didge biblical miracle? Bet you have never seen one. unless it was proved scientifically with physical, made-of-matter facts it is just a myth. At the proported time of the flood the people roaming the earth were simple people, not exactly informed of their physical surroundings and the workings of nature as we do. According to interpretation of the bible, the human species had been around ooh say about 2000 years at that point, so hardly a whisper in human development in real time!

My point is, its all stories by simple people who had a lack of understanding, so open to artistic padding out!

Great Flood? More like the rainy season we get in the Southern Hemsiphere! Noahs Ark was probably a Nature Reserve, created by a latter-day David Attenborough zoo-ologist, who thought the animals need a shelter from the rain. And seen as it takes a kangaroo a few seconds to realise its standing in front of your car when you hit it, its seems highly unlikely that it would have the crazy idea of upping sticks, and hopping to Turkey, on the premise it was getting a free boat ride to salvation!

C'mon people if you beleive whats written in the bible, by men after all, you need your head testing!

Huzzah!

TD

If that is the case, the water would also freeze, and with the temperatures for snap-freezing the animlas, it is also unlikely that the Ark would provide sufficient insulation to keep the occupants from freezing to death.

Yes, it's really a big exercise in double-think. Water doesn't absorb heat when it condenses, it releases heat. If it's boiling point were not so high, water would actually make a good refrigerant.

Another example is the genetic bottle-neck the flood story would have created if it were true. JW's attempt to get around the fact that all the animal species known today would not have fit aboard the ark by suggesting that Noah simply took representatives of major "kinds." However the genetic bottle-neck would have brought the speciation rate after the flood to a standstill. --Just the opposite of what would be needed make the explanation plausible.

Hellrider

Sarah Jessica Parker = whore of Babylon

Ha ha! I don`t like her either. Bony, skinny, old hag. And that TV-show of hers, "Sluts in the city", sucks bigtime.

trevor

From the moment this thread came up I resisted the urge to state the obvious.

If the purpose of The Ark was to avoid destruction in a world totally flooded with water then as there was no where to go, drifting and surviving would not be aimless but a purposeful option. Actually the only one available.

In any case the whole Ark thing just doesn’t hold water.

Navigator

Perhaps when the Jewish scribes borrowed that story from the Persians they should have paid more attention to the technical details.

Qcmbr

I suspect that anybody with a boat would have got in it during such a time.

Narkissos / Leo maybe you could enlighten me on some alternatives to the translation 'flesh' used in the ark story. I get the distinct impression that the two by two onto the ark was people and that the animals(in sevens) were food rather than to perpetuate the species.

The evidence also suggests that there was no global flood:

Freshwater fish.
Very few lifeforms could live under that water pressure or without oxygen.
Light would have penetrated only the top of the flood waters killing most sea life trapped in the saltier water below.
Ice cores - ice would have shown flood.
Lack of global depositional features.
Nowhere for the water to go afterwards - waterworld scenario.

It seems that it was a more localised flood taht seemed to Noah as if it was global.

Alternatively we just have a garbled version of a global flood and we're missing something in the current geological evidence.

Narkissos

Navigator (!),

Actually it is a Mesopotamian tale, which the Gilgamesh epic (table XI, see my link on the first page of this thread) borrowed from an earlier Atrahasis epic:

O man of Shuruppak, son of Ubartutu:

Tear down the house and build a boat!

Abandon wealth and seek living beings!

Spurn possessions and keep alive living beings!

Make all living beings go up into the boat.

The boat which you are to build,

its dimensions must measure equal to each other:

its length must correspond to its width.

Roof it over like the Apsu.

(...)

Just as dawn began to glow

the land assembled around me-

the carpenter carried his hatchet,

the reed worker carried his (flattening) stone,

... the men ...

The child carried the pitch,

the weak brought whatever else was needed.

On the fifth day I laid out her exterior.

It was a field in area,

its walls were each 10 times 12 cubits in height,

the sides of its top were of equal length, 10 times 12 cubits each.

I laid out its (interior) structure and drew a picture of it (?).

I provided it with six decks,

thus dividing it into seven (levels).

The inside of it I divided into nine (compartments).

I drove plugs (to keep out) water in its middle part.

I saw to the punting poles and laid in what was necessary.

Three times 3,600 (units) of raw bitumen I poured into the

bitumen kiln,

three times 3,600 (units of) pitch ...into it,

there were three times 3,600 porters of casks who carried (vege-

table) oil,

apart from the 3,600 (units of) oil which they consumed (!)

and two times 3,600 (units of) oil which the boatman stored

away.

I butchered oxen for the meat(!),

and day upon day I slaughtered sheep.

I gave the workmen(?) ale, beer, oil, and wine, as if it were

river water,

so they could make a party like the New Year's Festival.

... and I set my hand to the oiling(!).

The boat was finished by sunset.

The launching was very difficult.

They had to keep carrying a runway of poles front to back,

until two-thirds of it had gone into the water(?).

Whatever I had I loaded on it:

whatever silver I had 1 loaded on it,

whatever gold I had I loaded on it.

All the living beings that I had I loaded on it,

I had all my kith and kin go up into the boat,

all the beasts and animals of the field and the craftsmen I

had go up.

The Genesis ark's architecture, which is somewhat different, seems to be evocative of the so-called "Solomon temple" (especially the three-story structure).

Did Noahs Ark drift about aimlessly in the Great Flood?

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