by You Know 54 Replies latest jw friends
Hi YK,
You may be right about God's deception. Since the GB is guided by his spirit and hasn't got one single date right yet, along with your predictions, it sure seems he loves to deceive you anointed ones. Since we can't depend on God to be straight with us, who do we trust? Any suggestions?
Rregards,
Ken P.
Lark
: I have a pregnant question for you. What do you think of the writings of Duns and Yadirf? Although you are all kindred souls, you three do seem to have some differences in your thinking.
Any differences that there might be between mine and You Know’s way of seeing things are only minor, and healthful. The thing about it, is that neither one of us are afflicted with the faultfinding attitude that you and your brother-apostates are (nor are we blinded like you are). Instead we both are united in our service to Jehovah as well as share a mutual concern for the WTS, although we both appreciate that the WTS has doctrinal adjustments to make … just something else wherein one will find unity between the two of us.
I am indeed privileged to have found the likes of You Know on the Internet. It is my hope to stumble upon more of his sort. Such would be all the more proof to me that the days are indeed getting short. -- Daniel 11:35.
Friday
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With reference to:
"Alas, O Sovereign Lord Jehovah! Truly you have absolutely deceived this people..." ---Jeremiah 4:10
My Father deceived no one... it was Jeremiah who was in error in his premature understanding of WHEN such 'peace' would come upon Jerusalem. Certainly, due to you 'anointing'... 'You Know' this, yes? Sure, right.
With reference to:
Where's all the 'love your enemies,' 'peace to you dear ones' stuff? LOL! You hypocrite!
I will quote both the Law Covenant... FOR you (since you need to adhere to it SO badly)... and the New Covenant TO you... since obviously you don't KNOW it:
"You must NOT hate your brother in your heart.
You should BY ALL MEANS REPROVE YOUR ASSOCIATE,
that you may not sin... ALONG WITH HIM."
Leviticus 19:19
AND...
"Moreover, if your brother commits a sin,
GO LAY BARE HIS FAULT... (did the 'between
you and him 'thing' LONG time ago, yes?)...
If he does NOT listen... let him be to you
just as a man of the nations and as a tax
collector.
The 'steps' my Lord is recorded to have delineated have BEEN attempted with you... many times... quite awhile ago. Yet, you would not allow yourself to be 'gained'. Therefore, the SPIRIT now responds to you in the same way as my Lord did to those who profaned the PHYSICAL 'house' of my Father... the same way you attempt to 'profane' the SPIRITUAL 'house'... with you idiotic, self-righteous, blind, misleading, self-assuming, haughty... BLASPHEMOUS... rhetoric and propaganda.
I have tried to 'reason' with you 'from the scriptures', but you are SO certain of your own 'righteousness'... which has YET to give glory to my Father OR my Lord... but CONTINUALLY glorifies a golden calf, a 'wild beast'... a WOLF... and its impotent 'hired man'...
Yes, Robert, I have 'zeal' and perhaps it will 'burn me up'. However, BETTER, I think, to have zeal burn me up... than Gehenna. You want to go 'into the pit'... kick rocks... go. And if there are some that wish to 'go with' you... it's their life. But, if you think that I will not 'stand in the gap' between Israel and my Lord... that I will not 'go the cause of Truth'... then you really haven't been paying much attention over the past couple years. You have ENTIRELY missed my point... and my purpose. BIG surprise.
A slave of Christ,
SJ
Let's see, you posted this, when? 1999? Ah yes, I remember. That was about the time you were telling us that the Y2K bug would destroy the world's economy and precipitate the end.
That ol' deceiver certainly had you fooled, didn't he!
COMF
Yardif,
You Said:
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Any differences that there might be between mine and You Know’s way of seeing things are only minor, and healthful. The thing about it, is that neither one of us are afflicted with the faultfinding attitude that you and your brother-apostates are (nor are we blinded like you are). Instead we both are united in our service to Jehovah as well as share a mutual concern for the WTS, although we both appreciate that the WTS has doctrinal adjustments to make … just something else wherein one will find unity between the two of us.
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So then I take it that You Know's interpetations of scriptures that diverge from what Officially comes from the WT is perfectly alright with you even if the WT calls it apostasy.
How do you answer?
Friday,
I was not "fault finding". I was simply asking a question. I don't understand why you choose to respond in an uncivil manner. I also asked about Duns and Greg Safford. These questions were directed to YK, but since you decided to provide an answer, perhaps you could provide a complete one.
I have had a good bit of dialogue with Duns, and if you read this, you will find that we have been quite civil with each other. Neither one of have engaged in "fault finding" even though he is a Witness and I am not. Don't you find that surprising? (For and example of our dialogue, see: Free Will vs. Determinism)
Thread: “THE MASTER OF DECEPTION”
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Lark
:I was not "fault finding". I was simply asking a question.
When I said, “The thing about it, is that neither one of us are afflicted with the faultfinding attitude that you and your brother-apostates are”, I had reference to that which I have observed in you and them time and time again … not necessarily anything which you have said in this thread. So I mentioned that by way of contrasting our particular approach to the Society’s doctrinal problems, with that of yours and the others who hope to find it all a lie and deception. You’re severely biased, and it stands out quite clearly.
:I don't understand why you choose to respond in an uncivil manner.
And, I don’t understand why you say such a thing as that. What was it that I said that is supposed to be so uncivil? The fact that I spoke the truth regarding the faultfinding attitude that I’ve witnessed out of you and your apostate friends countless times? Are you merely looking for a fault once again? Would you even recognize it if you were? I consider it to be a distinct possibility that if you and your brood can’t find anything else truly faulty about the WTS or one of its members, then you’ll persistently try to irritate them by insinuating that they are being quite uncivil … simply because they answer you with the forcefulness that you require. In other words, attempt to agitate them over and over again, until they tell you in no uncertain terms the way that it really is. Then say to them: “Hey, you sure are touchy. You sure are uncivil.” You need to remember, Lark, that just like you, I wasn’t born just yesterday. I’ve seen that dirty trick played on people many a time before. There’s nothing about it that is honest and truthful, it’s something very devilish. And since I know that you’re not a friend of the WTS, nor mine, I have reason to suspect/expect that you wouldn’t hesitate to pull that same trick. Me paranoid? Not on your life, merely too smart and experienced for YOUR own good that’s all.
Too, I’ll call your attention once again to the fact that I’ve never ONCE observed you making mention to others for having clearly conducted themselves in a very, very uncivil manner. Yet you’re quick to make such statements to me, as quoted above, with regards to instances in which you simply prefer to think that I’m being uncivil. I’ve asked you before, Lark, why the bias? Now I’m asking it again. Of course we know the answer to that, now don’t we. It’s simply explained by the fact that YOU are against JWs, and you want to see the demise of the WTS along with the rest of the apostate community.
:I also asked about Duns and Greg Safford. These questions were directed to YK, but since you decided to provide an answer, perhaps you could provide a complete one.
What more would you like to know? (Start a new thread sometime.)
:I have had a good bit of dialogue with Duns, and if you read this, you will find that we have been quite civil with each other. Neither one of have engaged in "fault finding" even though he is a Witness and I am not. Don't you find that surprising? (For and example of our dialogue, see: Free Will vs. Determinism)
I’ll have to check that out, as I WILL be greatly surprised if that thread is not completely saturated with faultfinders. Would you be willing to lay some money down as a bet that I will find a clean thread there? Will you put your money where your mouth is? Or will you come back with the bit about “But I thought that JWs considered it as going against their religion to gamble!”
Friday
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D wiltshire
So then I take it that You Know's interpetations of scriptures that diverge from what Officially comes from the WT is perfectly alright with you even if the WT calls it apostasy. How do you answer?
Don’t you think THAT question has been asked and answered enough times to where it shouldn’t need to be addressed again? Hasn't it been absolutely beat to death? Are you completely new to this board and the H20 DB, or what?
Although there is a great deal of that which You Know writes that I respect and agree with, I’d much rather talk about my OWN “interpretations of Scripture which diverge from that which officially comes from the WTS”. The fact is, is that a TRUE apostate is not simply a person that has a legitimate question with regards to a certain doctrine but it’s that same person which also develops and harbors a negative attitude and becomes an enemy of the true religion. This is the reason that neither I nor You Know are apostates as you seem to prefer to think. So you are greatly mistaken insofar as what the WTS considers to be apostasy. I can assure you of that. I have presented my divergent views to the writing staff for several years now, and have never been dubbed an apostate. The local brothers still greet me, etc. … which if I were a true apostate they wouldn’t have a thing in the world to do with me, not even greeting me. That's mighty strange sounding to you, isn't it? It's only because you haven't any real understanding that it is.
Friday
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Friday,
I will take that bet for 10 dollars. First we must define fault finding. There was no fault finding of your religion on the thread I mentioned. There was no fault finding of the other person by either Duns or myself. Both of us believed we found fault with the other person's arguement. You might ask Duns himself, if I engaged in fault finding, as I have defined it here. Since he is a JW, there won't be any favoratism shown me on his part. In fact, I think Duns should decide who won the bet. I would suggest that whoever loses the bet send a 10 dollar contribution to Simon via PayPail to help him with his costs.
I thought our last discussion before this one was a civil one, when we discussed bugs bunny's use of the word "maroon". I should have bet you on that one. I am disappointed that our previous raport has disappeared. Oh well, I tryed.
Have I ever told apostates they were uncivil? Yes, I can think of at least 6 of them.
Friday,
I would like to refer you to a thread, "Simple questions for my buddy Duns." Here you will find expressions of friendship by xJWs for a JW. Yes, it can happen.
