my jw wife told me today that the 2009 oklahoma district conventions will not be held in our state.
the tulsa area will have to go to fort smith, arkansas and the central oklahoma area will have to go to witchia, kansas!
wow!
They could mandate that everyone only wear poka dots to all meetings henceforth as long as they follow it with "this is Jehovahs loving provision" and they will do it.
These days its all about saving money for them. Or getting them out of legal binds. Or avoiding legal liability. Or...passing the buck.
Good news is even LESS people will go now because they wont be able to afford to.
mrs smith and i have faded away for many years.
we knew the day will come that we would be questioned directly what our stand is.. this past holidays we were confronted by our jw family.
we told them the truth, we are not jw's anymore and that we go to any church that strikes our fancy.
That initial "pulling off of the bandaid" hurts like a bitch. The pain subsides then the anger subsides and then you feel sadness and loss, but you see clearer that they are doing this because like us, thats all they ever hear...leaving the Borg is leaving Jehovah. And you are now with Satan because everything is black and white. I think we ALL know that if the Society suddenly said they didnt have to shun us any more...theywouldnt. There would only be a hand full of zealots who would insist on continuing to do so.
We who have lost family to the machine feel for you. And we are glad you are here to talk to folks who understand. When I have told people who were never JWs what my JW family and friends do to us...they DONT BELIEVE IT. Because it is just SO against human nature to allow anything to come between you and your family. They always say things like..."well why dont you compromise?" There is NO compromise.
hugs
remember this?
it really made me start to think about what i had gotten myself into.. john d. goldhammer.
are you "under the influence".
Remember this? It really made me start to think about what I had gotten myself into.
Self Quiz
Are you "UNDER THE INFLUENCE"
of a destructive group or belief system?
Find out with this
SELF QUIZ:
...have difficulty forming new friendships and intimate relationships?
Yes___ No___
...have low self-esteem, poor self-image or loss of identity?
Yes___ No___
...have difficulty making simple decisions and choices?
Yes___ No___
...often feel depressed, anxious and nervous?
Yes___ No___
...feel isolated, lonely, guilty, cynical?
Yes___ No___
...feel like you are just now growing up, becoming a mature adult?
Yes___ No___
...have short-term memory difficulties?
Yes___ No___
...feel you have nothing to believe in?
Yes___ No___
...often feel anger and rage towards the group?
Yes___ No___
...have nightmares or unpleasant dreams?
Yes___ No___
...find it difficult or impossible to stop mental or other group ritualistic practices?
Yes___ No___
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A group starts with two people. And two individuals can find themselves embroiled in many of the same fundamental destructive group dynamics that large organizations fall prey to.
whatda ya got to lose?.
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what statements make you wonder?.
The check is in the mail.
whatda ya got to lose?.
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what statements make you wonder?.
It's not you, it's me.
We need to talk.
Can you come into my office for a minute?
Is that what you are wearing?
Does this make my butt look big?
I did NOT have sexual relations with that woman!
I am NOT a crook!
i invest in real estate a bit.......with millions losing their homes......where are they living now?.....family?.......apartments are not even near full in atlanta due to overbuilding during the good times........if these people were paying 1900 bucks a month for a crib too big....i would think they would be a good tennent in a small home and could pay the 800 bucks they should have been paying for the right home.......btw.....i am thinking of buying a camp ground....they are slammed full in many areas.....and they pay in advance one full year to keep their spot...i had started noticing that there are are two or three cars at the campers........a sure sign of a home.....not really camping......oompa.
The house immediately next to me was sold and bought during the HIGH point of pricing and it is now worth about HALF what the poor guy, who is a natural gas installer, bought it for. His business went down the shoots. He had to just walk away from it..after they totally fixed it up soooo cute. He went back to the home he had, which he had been renting out. Now its overgrown. Here in Florida, when you dont keep up property, nature reclaims it very quickly, almost like a sci fi flick. Seriously.
The home diagonally across from me, the guy bought in July 04 for a song. He tried to sell it in 05 during the HIPE period and "held out" for that really high bidder turning away many. And then Wilma hit here, the bottom fell out of the housing and he never had another buyer in three years! He finally walked away last fall...and the house was foreclosed on. It was bought for only $!40,000 this month. Half acre of land, no HOA, four bedroom three bath ranch with a huge work building in the back. This family moved to property they bought up in NC.
So Im thinking people will start buying up all this foreclosed prop. and things will get rolling again.
we had to finally bail out from under and file chapter 7. which was a huge relief and i can sleep again.
i worry about my husbands job continuing.
but until then...i am (except for my mortgage and car) credit card free and its wonderful.
We had to finally bail out from under and file Chapter 7. Which was a huge relief and I can sleep again. For now. I worry about my husbands job continuing. But until then...I am (except for my mortgage and car) credit card free and its wonderful. If you can get rid of those and start living on a cash basis again...which some of us are old enough to remember doing...its very cleansing.
I watch what Im buying now. I watch for sales. I watch for the B1Get1Free sales. I actually USE those coupons theyve been handing to me all these years. Im making my working children pay for more of their own expenses.
And buying in bulk. I probably have saved a THIRD of my grocery and cleaning expenses buying in bulk from Sams Club.
What are you guys doing?
a a witness this really bugged me.
i hated being called brother ( last name ) by people i knew for 10, 20, or 30 years !
it was so impersonal i felt.
When I first started going it was cool...like a ACCEPTANCE into a GROUP thing :) Wow...Im a SISTER now! Kinda thing. But yeah it got annoying as the years went buy. You can say damn near ANYTHING about another person if you say "Brother Lisp, what a WONDERFUL encouraging and uplifting talk you gave today!" "Oh poor Sister Blahblah, she just cant get that extra 100 pounds off can she, bless her heart."
And you always can smile when you say Brother or Sister...no matter how disingenuous it is.
it appears that the watchtower teaches that the 1000 year reign starts after armageddon, which makes sense.
(revelation 20:6) .
.happy and holy is anyone having part in the first resurrection; over these the second death has no authority, but they will be priests of god and of the christ, and will rule as kings with him for the thousand years.
I thought we were supposed to being brought to perfection during this thousand year reign? LOL! Im getting greyer and fatter and older so Im living proof no PERFECTING is happening around here! :)
can you think of anything??
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Being a Witness makes you feel "special". That's good, isn't it?
Why yes it is! And they have very special "short buses" for all you special people :)
