Posts by outbutnotdown

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LISTEN TO ORAL ARGUMENTS IN JW ABUSE CASE! (Berry Girls, NH Supreme Court)

by loveis in

if you have an mp3 player (windows media player should be fine), just click on this link to hear them hash it out!

http://www.courts.state.nh.us/supreme/recordings/2004/2003-0779.mp3.

(if you need to catch up on the history of the berry girls case, this ongoing new hampshire supreme court appeal was discussed in more detail in these recent threads:) .

outbutnotdown

loveis,

I listened to the entire 43 minute court transcript. I started posting a comment on this, but I will reserve comment on it until I can do so when I feel that my opinion is objective. OK.... now I'm ready.

Because right now, I just detest the piece of shit organization that can take, likely their most intelligent person around, and make him into a puppet for their propaganda. Sadly, he thinks he is doing the right thing, but in reality, he has a complete and flagrant disregard for human welfare, as proven by his repeated FUCKING BULLSHIT statements such as when he said that the elders could not be responsible, since they were not ordained, yet they were not ordained, and therefore could not be responsible. Did anyone hear/see it differently?

This stuff upsets me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Brad

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Freedom to Choose God

by UnDisfellowshipped in

come to the wedding.

' for i say to you that god is able to raise up children to abraham from these stones.

outbutnotdown

Ah wheres the Brad dude?

EW,

Too many theories and not enough facts for me to base another thought on this topic. The answer is righteous. The answer is perfect. The answer is neither.

My brain hurts now.... thanks a lot!!!!

Brad

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MY CELIBACY VOW AND OTHER QUESTIONS!

by tresbella in

)o.k so last night i made a vow of celibacy to god.

an official promise in prayer to not fornicate so that maybe i too can have a special wedding night.

(my boyfriend was surprisingly supportive) i remember reading a scripture that says a promise made to god should be taken very serious.

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Tresbella,

Wow!!!!! You do have a lot of questions, which in my opinion is a good thing. I haven't had time to read other peoples' replies but as I scanned the names, from my experience, they have likely given you some good advice.

If I may give some advice, don't commit to anything further until you have those questions answered. It will do you no good to pretend that they don't exist. You need them answered.

Brad

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DO OVERS...If you had just one...what would you do over?

by Terry in

jw
friends

the saddest and sorriest aspect of life is this: no do-overs.

we are stuck with what choices we make.

we live with it.

outbutnotdown

KLS,

ROFLMAO @ u!!!!!!!!

Brad

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DO OVERS...If you had just one...what would you do over?

by Terry in

jw
friends

the saddest and sorriest aspect of life is this: no do-overs.

we are stuck with what choices we make.

we live with it.

outbutnotdown

Terry, buddy....... the answer was so simple until you threw this into the mix:

Remember, the do-over erases the subsequent UN-chosen choice and all its permutations.

Well, I'm going to break your rules and come up first with the one do-over where I would still have four beautiful children because, well, to be honest the question is just not nearly as fun answering with that limtation.

When I was 19, I finally had a few girls who actually thought I was somewhat appealing. (Besides being a JW, who could not fellowship with girls other than in our one congregation town, I was a bit of an ugly duckling.......... by the way, Stefanie, now I'm just gorgeous..... ) However nothing ever amounted from the little extra attention.

So, the one night, while being slightly rebellious....., I was out having a couple of pints at the place where all my evil, non-JW classmates would go. This very beautiful girl came up to me and we ended up hitting it off FANTASTIC. For some reason she thought I was cute and she was pretty much my ideal woman, originally just from appearance and then later her she proved to be very sweet, sincere and fun too. We ended up spending the night together, without .......... you know. She wanted to see me again and felt as strongly towards me as I did to her.

The do-over??????????!!!!!!!!!!! I never called her back. She called a few times and I had to make up a bullshit story to my parents, heaven forbid they find out I almost went all the way with this very nice NON-JW girl.

Hindsight is a hell of a lot more perfect than 20/20. Damn!!!!

Brad

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What is the true Christian religion / faith?

by evergreen in

i,m going to cut to the chase here .i am not long viewing this website and am fascinated at much of what i have read.currently i attend meetings, but sit there and think of what i now know about the society and its past.i just feel so confused at the moment with religion.. its a bit like who shot jfk ,did man really land on the moon etc .. except it involves all of us( just wish i knew the truth).

the only thing that is keeping me there right now is that all my family are in the "truth" ,,and i cant just stay at home and be shunned which i have recently experienced ( was inactive for a while) .. if i knew beyond any shadow of a doubt that i have found the true faith and discern that it is definately the true faith, i would then make a stand and nothing would stop me .

already i am reading the scriptures without the aid of wt publications and what i am reading is amazing .i am starting to feel that i am now getting closer to god by simply doing this coupled with prayer.. there must be one true faith as there was in the first century.

outbutnotdown

Evergreen,

I just read Corvin's post as well. I agree with what he has said about the JW's. Corvin and I (as well as many others here) have experienced some really nasty things at the hands of the JW's. It's not that they're all bad. The vast majority, even, are very good people. I am no longer a JW. I left that religion a LONG time before myself and my kids started suffering at their hands of my now ex-wife and her JW family. The reason for me no longer being a JW is not because they have cheated myself and my kids out of peace that we deserve. They have cheated my kids and I out of peace BECAUSE I am no longer a JW. (Feel free to read my topics on the subject if you wish, and as hard as even some people close to me have found them to be, they are true.) Even my own immediate family has refused to even listen to my side of the story. They believe that when I left "Jehovah", Satan got ahold of me and who knows what I am capable of doing in his hands, right?

But think about that last "bolded statement" again. The reason that I am proud of you by taking the first step of not believing in it as being the "one true religion" is that, despite the fact that Corvin and my stories are more extreme examples, it's what can happen when a group of people believe they are the chosen ones.

I think what Corvin and I are both saying is that the unfortunate thing about a religion like the JW's, (and it does happen in other religions as well) is that when a religion is SO ABSOLUTE about being the right one, that ANYBODY who questions it, including Judges, Child Protection Services, Counsellors... (I could go on)....... the overriding SATAN factor comes into play. These very caring, loving people and who are quite frankly TRAINED in the profession to find the truth are ultimately a part of Satan's world and they can be deceived.

Dude, I could write a book..... (actually I am... but it is not about this latest chapter in my JW experience. ) To be honest, I really didn't intend to tell you all this stuff that may freak you out. I wanted to give you an objectie viewpoint, with no JW bashing stuff. That, I tried to do in my first post. On the other hand, if you have heard stories about these "evil" ex-JW's who have done really nasty things..... (hey we're not perfect).... but it's probably either exagerated crap or just plain crap.

Brad

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What is the true Christian religion / faith?

by evergreen in

i,m going to cut to the chase here .i am not long viewing this website and am fascinated at much of what i have read.currently i attend meetings, but sit there and think of what i now know about the society and its past.i just feel so confused at the moment with religion.. its a bit like who shot jfk ,did man really land on the moon etc .. except it involves all of us( just wish i knew the truth).

the only thing that is keeping me there right now is that all my family are in the "truth" ,,and i cant just stay at home and be shunned which i have recently experienced ( was inactive for a while) .. if i knew beyond any shadow of a doubt that i have found the true faith and discern that it is definately the true faith, i would then make a stand and nothing would stop me .

already i am reading the scriptures without the aid of wt publications and what i am reading is amazing .i am starting to feel that i am now getting closer to god by simply doing this coupled with prayer.. there must be one true faith as there was in the first century.

outbutnotdown

Evergreen,

Cute picture of the puppy!!

Congratulations, first of all for accepting that "the truth" is in fact NOT ABSOLUTE truth. That in itself is a big first step, my friend.

That is not meant to degrade that one particular religion (although most people will agree it is near the top of the list for "bad" religions, whether an ex-Jw or having never been in), but the more I began to search for what the one true religion was, the more I determined that they were all good and all bad.

Inherently, as humans, we want to know that what we are doing is right, or good, or kind, or positive..... you get the point. We join or stay in these very high-control religions, it seems, dependant on how secure we are with our own self-assurance and our ability to judge ourselves as being worthy of forgiveness or being able to please God. It is easy to be found worthy of this "acceptance" when it is given, no questions asked by the other members of these ONE TRUE RELIGION models, such as JW's.

Satanus said:

I guess i have found a couple of treasures, well actually one, quite recently. I will tell you what it is. It is the love of my maternal grandmother which had been blocked by my father. In one of my meditations, it broke through, and my fathers influence was thrown aside. It was wonderful feeling this love for a few weeks.

I know when I was first leaving I would have had a hard time listening to that because of the fact that my impression, (built in by years of "study"), that it could sound like Satan talking. Trust me it was just Satanus, not Satan himself. Point being, what bad can come from a genuine expression of the joy received by this love?

You said: There must be one true faith as there was in the first century.

There was one true faith, as Jesus taught it. Others (besides Jesus) have also taught it for centuries as well. When it comes right down to it, it is the most basic of his teachings... love your neighbour as youself.... do unto others as you would have done unto you..... and any other basic teachings. We make it WAY too complicated sometimes.

If you feel that you need to follow one specific religion, IMO, look for a religion that has the fewest absolutes, other than love and acceptance.

Brad

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Dolls/Stuffed animals.... what's your opinion?

by outbutnotdown in

jw
friends

i had my two girls with me today.

they were as beautiful and loving and caring as ever.. they each had their own favorite dolls that they cared for much like i care/d for them.

it was beautiful to watch!!!!!!!!.

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LyinEyes,

Very cute!!!!

A lot of other good comments from all the other posts as well. I guess we're not weird if we are grown and still like stuffed animals even if we are men.......... Whew!!! I thought I was a freak there for a bit..... well, actually I am still a bit of a freak, but just not for that reason....

Brad

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JEWS KNOW NOTHING ABOUT DE BIBLE!!

by Mary in

jw
friends

i was invited over to some witnesses' home for supper the other night.

these are nice people even though they still are blinded by this religion so i accepted their invitation.

anyway we got talking about the bible (naturally) and his wife commented on the scripture where that one guy asks jesus about waiting until he had buried his father before he becomes a follower of his.

outbutnotdown

Mary said, regarding Running Man's post:

They don't even believe that Jerusalem was destroyed in 607. They think that the temple was destroyed on the 9th day of the month of Av in the year 586 BC.

Well apparently, that's cause Satan de Debbil went and changed all the physical evidence that pointed to 607 BCE, as he knew that he was gonna have to duke it out with Jesus in 1914 - end of story.

Too funny!!! It's amazing how narrow-minded people can become when there's this evil creature, Satan there to blame for everything.

I've been going out with the guy for beers ever since I got disfellowhipped, and he promised me that he never did any such thing. He does however get a little bit of satisfaction of watching the little Smrf dolls talk and do other BAD things to the JW's. That one, he does own up to.

Brad

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Currently the "Psycho's" are leading the the "Psychic's" 39 to 27

by outbutnotdown in

jw
friends

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go figure.

brad

outbutnotdown

Stefanie,

That was me!!!! Over here, pick me, pick me. I've got some good wine for you........AND I like stuffed animals!!!!! I must be quite the catch, eh?

Brad