OneEyedJoe

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  Nov 2014 WT, much about nothing, or is it?

  by Quarterback in

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  the article "why we must be holy" ties in obedience as being holy.

  there is a subheading in this article that states " prove yourselves holy by being obedient".

  par 9 quotes three brothers who had some conflicts, but they went along with the org.

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  OneEyedJoe

  l_q - I think the KM refers to part 2 of the public WT's "conversation with a neighbor" article, not this study WT. Looks like that one's not out yet, though so I can't confirm it...
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  What would happen

  by Skbj in

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  hi everyone, it's a while since i visited the site so i hope everyone's well.

  i want to ask a question that popped into my mind following my last visit home.

  in july i went to visit my family (all jw) and as you remember in one of my ealiest posts i mentioned i don't know what's my situation whether i result df or not.

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  OneEyedJoe

  I don't believe the funeral can be held at a KH for a DF'd person, but I'm sure others will chime in with quotes from BOE letters or the secret elder book (that's why I love this place!)

  That always struck me as a stupid policy while I was in. Afterall, it's not as if the funeral is for the dead person, it's for the family. The DFing policy is supposed to be a loving way of trying to bring your loved one back (ugh, as I type this I'm ashamed that I ever believed it) so it seems like you should be able to stop shunning them once they're dead.
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  11-15 WT- Drinking before meetings

  by Absalom in

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  to be holy, we must weigh the scriptures carefully and do what god asks of us.

  consider aarons sons nadab and abihu, who were executed for offering unauthorized fire, perhaps while inebriated.

  (lev.

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  OneEyedJoe

  yeah, the meetings are way more fun when you're rocking a buzz. It just adds a level of risk and intrigue to the whole affair.

  On the down side, I've managed to miss a few meetings by getting my wife a little buzzed before hand after a stressful day. Those days may be over if she reads this.
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  Why Do Witnesses Promote A Unhealthy Lifestyle, My COBE weighs 340lbs (5ft 7in).

  by BucketShopBill in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  please don't take this the wrong way if your battling weight problems, that's not what this thread is meant to talk about.

  i am asking this question because jehovah's witnesses claim they have "the best way of life", "god's blessing", "the truth" and are trying to change the habits of healthy people by turning them in to their own makings.

  i watched people who were great athletes turn all their muscle in to fat because we would get a elder or circuit overseer make remarks they were spending too much time "working out" and "bodily training is beneficial for little".

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  As has been said, there's not much point in watching your weight if armageddon is coming 'soon' and you'll be perfect. Also, have you looked at the pictures of paradise lately? They're all freakin vegans! Gotta get your steak, bacon, meat-lovers pizza, etc in while you can!

  The other factor, I suspect, is that being in a cult is stressful. There are no breaks, constant (boring as hell) meetings and constant fear, obligation and guilt. Not to mention the cognitive dissonance one suffers while living 100 years after the start of a generation that would see the end. All that stress can drive people to eat or drink excessively.
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  Why did the WT writers switch the people in the GENERATION from the general population to ' The Anointed?

  by prologos in

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  what is your theory on the reason that prompted that?

  the intend?

  the hoped-for outcome?.

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  OneEyedJoe

  benny, I never said there weren't holes Don't mistake me for a believer in this BS, I'm just commenting on what their mindset might be in why they're trying to sell this particular variety of BS.
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  Poll--How Many Believe In God, Do Not Believe or Are Not Sure Of His Existence?

  by minimus in

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  i believe in god but i'm not sure of anything....what about you?.

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  OneEyedJoe

  404: god not found.
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  Why did the WT writers switch the people in the GENERATION from the general population to ' The Anointed?

  by prologos in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  what is your theory on the reason that prompted that?

  the intend?

  the hoped-for outcome?.

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  OneEyedJoe

  I think there may be two factors at play, first trying to make the overlap a little more plausible (if it can be considered to posess any degree of plausibility at all) because it's based on the idea of those seeing armageddon having heard a "first hand account" of the start of the last days. Since folks in the world at large didn't recognize the signs of the last days (which is why they're not all JWs, or so the story goes) they wouldn't be relating those signs to the next generation (which, apparently would make the next generation part of their generation, but I digress). The annointed, on the other hand, would talk non stop and brag about being present in 1914 to anyone who'd listen. It's therefore more reasonable to think that the annointed would have shared this first hand account so vividly that just by hearing their story you could picture it so well that it was as if you saw the signs yourself.

  The other reason is that the contrived way that they define the generation sets a fairly imminent timeline for armageddon. The firsthand account of the events of 1914 has to come from someone who had already recieved their heavenly calling by that time, i.e. they were annointed partakers in 1914. Since in those days, most of the annointed where still coming from new converts (instead of born-ins like now) it's reasonable to assume that 20 would be a pretty good lower bound on the age someone might be at when they first start partaking. So those in the first part of the generation would likely have died off by 1974 around the age of 80. Obviously there might be a few that lasted longer, but this is probably about what most dubs are going to go with. So, the next generation would've had to have been partaking by 1974 in order to be a part of the generation, if you go another 60 years (again, for a total lifespan of 80) you wind up at about 2034 as the upper limit that this system can reach. The general assumption is that it'd happen well before that time due to the unexpected hanging paradox (i.e. if Jehovah waited until 2034, we'd know it must be coming then and Jesus' words about it coming at an hour you don't expect would prove false).

  I expect the speculation about 2034 to ramp up in about 10 or 12 years, with subtle emphasis on a parallel with Noah's 120 year ministry (I think this has been mentioned before here as well). They're ripe for a new date setting extravaganza, since by then most of the GB willl probably only barely remember the 1975 fiasco (and what they do remember, they probably have pushed out of their minds).
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  Alternative theory to conventional evolution: Stabilization Theory. What do you think?

  by EdenOne in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i happened to come across a new (2008) theory on the evolution of live, by a biologist named eugene m. mccarthy.

  he describes his new approach as stabilization theory.

  i haven't read into it in depht, so i cannot make any informed comments so far.. this is his website: www.macroevolution.net.

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  OneEyedJoe

  It seems plausible, but probably needs a lot more work to substantiate. It'll be interesting to see how (or if) the idea develops further.

  The creationist's reaction will almost certainly be fueled by disgust and incredulity and finish with something like: "see! the so-called scientists don't even understand evolution, but we're expected to just believe it?"

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  Thanks for finding that braincleaned, I couldn't find much on the guy or the theory, and didnt' feel like searching very long. I guess that explains why what I could find all refered to his "papers" being "published" on his website, not any peer-reviewed journal.
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  BOE * 2014-07-15 Witnessing in public places REVISION

  by WatchTower87 in

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  2. bible

  boe * 2014-07-15 witnessing in public places revision.

  old version: 2014-05-01 witnessing in public places pdf: http://adf.ly/qagwu.

  new version: 2014-07-15 witnessing in public places pdf: http://adf.ly/r6tsl.

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  OneEyedJoe

  Further translation: we absolve ourselves of any legal liability if anything goes wrong.
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  Achan teaches us stealing is wrong, but wanton genocide A-ok?

  by BU2B in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  this week on the tms, there was a talk about achan.

  how i didnt see how out of wack the jws moral compass is earlier i do not know.

  achan stole some valuables from jericho and for this him and his whole family was murdered in a brutal fashon and burned up by fire.

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  OneEyedJoe

  That's a good point about the garments, I never thought about that. The only thing he could've hoped to do was sell them to a non-isrealite, and he'd probably have to make quite a trip to do that, or hold on to incriminating evidence for a long while...