As quoted above, Cardinal George Pell says that the account of Adam and Eve is “a very sophisticated mythology to try to explain the evil and the suffering in the world". However, the early christians, the founders of Christianity ( as the first century jewish too), did not think so. Furthermore, how can the account be a myth and the original sin not?........So, it creates more contradictions in the christian theology. Cardinal Pell can currently say this, but one century ago he would be punished by the Pope. Whatever, I wonder how will they (the catholic theologians) justify this myth?
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What christians don't want to admit
by opusdei1972 inwhen i left the wt organization, i continued to believe in the bible, so i wanted to confirm and refine, as much as possible, my faith that the true god is in the bible.
so i began to discuss with skilled christians, who were also ex-witnesses.
but i was surprised when some of them tried to relax my fundamentalist position on the literalness of the genesis account.
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What christians don't want to admit
by opusdei1972 inwhen i left the wt organization, i continued to believe in the bible, so i wanted to confirm and refine, as much as possible, my faith that the true god is in the bible.
so i began to discuss with skilled christians, who were also ex-witnesses.
but i was surprised when some of them tried to relax my fundamentalist position on the literalness of the genesis account.
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opusdei1972
When I left the WT Organization, I continued to believe in the Bible, so I wanted to confirm and refine, as much as possible, my faith that the true god is in the Bible. So I began to discuss with skilled christians, who were also ex-witnesses. But I was surprised when some of them tried to relax my fundamentalist position on the literalness of the Genesis account. For instance, it was clear to me that if Adam and Eve were not two literal persons who disobeyed God, the christian doctrine that states that the human being needs a redeemer would go to the trash. But those skilled christians tried to despise my position even when I showed that Paul said that "in Adam" we all are dying. So, if Adam was not the first man who sinned , how could God punish us on account of an "allegory"?....It is clear that when Paul said that we all die "in Adam", it was because Paul believed that Adam was the first man, the father of mankind. But those christian scholars disagreed and told me that I was a fundamentalist. Ok, so I had to do my homework, and I quickly noticed that those christian scholars were right, because Adam could not be the first man, because by many evidences we now know that there were modern men more than 100 000 years ago. Also, it is imposible, not only by ADN studies, that we all descended from Noah, whose family supposedly begat us 4300 years ago.
Of course, in the past some allegorized these Bible tails (like Philo), but if you remove their historicity, you will have to admit that the fundation of the Christian doctrine will suffer a great damage. Evangelicals know that, the GB of Jehovah's Witnesses know that, and even the Catholic Church does. Althought the majority of the catholic scholars know that Adam and Eve did not exist,
http://consciouslifenews.com/catholic-cardinal-adam-eve-didnt-exist/
the Catholic Church does not admit this fact publicly. The Catholic Church, in its official writtings, insists that Adam had to exist. Why?, because the Church knows the implications. ...So, though I was wrong when I believed in Adam and Eve, I was and am right by saying that if there was no original sin, Jesus does not save us, because death was always inherent in us.
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How Has Turning Athiest/ Agnostic Affected You?
by minimus inmany jws believed in god.
now many here, do not believe in a deity.
how has this affected you in your life?.
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nice video stuckinarut2
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How Has Turning Athiest/ Agnostic Affected You?
by minimus inmany jws believed in god.
now many here, do not believe in a deity.
how has this affected you in your life?.
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opusdei1972
I have observed something else under the sun. The fastest runner doesn't always win the race, and the strongest warrior doesn't always win the battle. The wise sometimes go hungry, and the skillful are not necessarily wealthy. And those who are educated don't always lead successful lives. It is all decided by chance, by being in the right place at the right time. (Ecclesiastes 9:11)
Althought I don't believe that the Bible was inspired by God, I admit that the above words are true due to a good experience and observation. So, no matter how much you believe in God "it is all decided by chance, by being in the right place at the right time". So, the believer and the unbeliever will die if both were unlucky and take a defective airplane. If so, do you still believe that God is concerned about you?
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Will Jehovah's Witnesses eventually become an African religion?
by LogCon inare there any statistics to show that proportionally the jw's are growing at a greater rate outside of western countries and, in particular, the african continent?.
if so, anybody's guess ?.....
1] by what year would the organization be predominantly african in membership?.
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Witnesses grow where there is more ignorance and less information.
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The myth of persecution, early Christians weren't persecuted.
by jam inanyone read candida moss book how early christians invented.
a story of martydom.
the romans did not terget, hunt or.
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The persecution of christians is well documented. Good for Christianity that Constantine stopped the persecution by the Milan Edict.
The edict protected from religious persecution not only Christians but all religions, allowing anyone to worship whichever deity they chose.
As for the above statement, it was, in fact, partialy respected, because Constantine assumed a biased attitude against Arians after the Nicaea Council (325 AD). After this Council christians showed publicly their true face by fighting between them due to the contradictions of the New Testament. A dark age began when christians started to have power in the Roman Empire. Many books were burned by fanatic christian theologians, so we have lost too much information about the past. Of course, muslims contributed for this too.
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A few questions for believers
by keyser soze inwhen confronted with all of the inconsistencies and atrocities of the bible, many believers invariably claim that they don't base their faith in christ on what's written in the bible.
so what is the basis then, if not scripture?.
and please don't tell me "the lord has revealed himself to me".
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opusdei1972
The Lord Yahweh has revealed his Word in the Old Testament. However, archaeologists, and scholars have noticed that there are pretty lies there. So, we can't trust in the Lord Yahweh, because if he exists, he is a liar.
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"Jehovah's Witnesses do better after surgery without transfusion" - Article (July 3, 2012)
by Da.Furious inthis article from 2012 published by the birmingham news showed up on my facebook page.. what i would have liked to see in the statistics is the inclusion of total jws refusing blood transfusion and their survival rate not only the ones taht surviced, taking about only survivors is not like for like comparison in my opinion with patients who take blood transfusion and then dont survive.. .
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Of course, if you can avoid a blood transfusion, it is better to avoid it. However, if you have an accident and you lose a relevant quantity of blood, most problably you will die if you don't receive a blood transfusion, because your body needs oxigen quickly.
Note that the above case is "heart surgery", but no physician would consider to avoid a blood transfusion for a person who suffered an accident with great loss of blood.
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Did Jesus Christ Have A Messianic Superiority Complex?
by frankiespeakin inhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/messiah_complex.
a messiah complex (also known as the christ complex or savior complex ) is a state of mind in which an individual holds a belief that they are, or are destined to become, a savior .
the term "messiah complex" is not addressed in the diagnostic and statistical manual of mental disorders (dsm) , but symptoms of the disorder closely resemble those found in individuals suffering from grandiose delusions (gd) or delusions of grandeur.
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opusdei1972
I believe Jesus existed and was crucified, but I agree with some scholars of the line of the spanish Antonio Piñero. According to this line, Jesus did believe that he was the Messiah and God would establish the earthly Jewish kingdom soon with him as the king, but he thought he would not die as it happened. So, after his death, his disciples had to find in the Old Testament an explanation for that fiasco and shameful death. Of course, most of those OT verses were taken out of context. Thus, many things that are written in the Gospels were not said by Jesus, only some colection of sayings.....but, surely, Jesus believed that he was the savior of the Jewish nation, so he did something politicaly wrong which caused his unexpected death.
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Closure of an Elder run JW forum
by CharlieBrownsLovelyDaughter insome of you may know of a longstanding jw owned and operated forum named "touchstone forum" (www.touchstoneforum.net/cgi-bin/yabb2/yabb.pl).
wrench, the elder who ran the board, closed its doors rather quickly a couple of weeks ago, and has refused to discuss the reasons for the closure.
no announcement of closing.
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This seems to be the only forum in which witnesses defend the Society, though they know that they are disobeying the GB.