I also feel (and hope) they are desperately looking for a way out of the blood(y) mess. However, I never heard of a card allowing to use one's own blood. Has it been discussed here before?
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No-Blood Card No Longer Issued/Dated Annually
by AMNESIAN indecember 2003 our kingdom ministry for the usa
"provisions to help us abstain from blood"
"baptized publishers who have previously completed an advance medical directive/release card or identity card with no print date or a 3/99 print date will not need to complete a new one this year.
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The Sin of Sodom & Gomorrah in the Bible and Jewish Tradition
by Leolaia ini'm starting this thread to post some of my articles that originally appeared on a jokes thread which should probably better appear in the "bible research & study articles" folder.
so here goes...... what was the sin, or sin(s) that sodom & gormorrah was judged for?
the original account in genesis actually does not say.
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Brilliant synthesis Leolaia. I had forgotten how old the Cainite vs. Sethite interpretation was -- although I can still recall a well-known Calvinist professor blindly defending it!
Just two questions for the pleasure of reading more from you:
- Do you really think an addition of bene would remove any hint of polytheism?
- Do you still believe in "J"?
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A New View of the Trinity
by Eugene Shubert infor everyone's convenience, i've summarized my synthesis into a short number of postulates.
please tell me which of my propositions are provably false and therefore biblically inadmissible.. the godhead is a heavenly trio of three living persons: the father, the son, and the holy spirit (matthew 28:19, 3:13-17, 2 corinthians 13:14, ephesians 4:4-6, 1 peter 1:2 and revelation 1:4,5).the father is all the fullness of the godhead bodily, and is invisible to mortal sight.the son is all the fullness of the godhead manifested (colossians 2:9 cf.
john 1:1).
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Loris : I?m sorry the discussion has become a little technical (understatement intended). I felt free to post on this thread because Eugene Shubert?s original post was partly made of data I previously gave him (Septuagint references). My first intent was to insist that a purely ?Biblical? discussion of Trinity, as if there were nothing between the Old and the New Testament, is meaningless. Moreover, IMO the discussion on the origins of the Gospel and Epistles of John is essential to the Trinity issue. Last, I don?t agree on your alternative of believing in God or nothing. If believing is a way of understanding the world and oneself, we (including atheists) are all ?believers? in a way.
Leolaia: Your comments are very interesting to me. Especially in the Patristic tradition, in which my knowledge is very limited (although I did hear of the two Johns!), I just sit back, read and think... (???)
- On your first literary/textual criticism question (it is much beyond the traditional scope of textual criticism, though it has become difficult to draw a sharp distinction between the two), I don?t know of such an attempt. I guess nothing would remain, because one could argue as well that the correspondence with Mark (from John the Baptist to the Passion narrative) is later, harmonizing material. In Boismard?s thesis, five of the seven Signs (Semia) belong to the very first stratum of the text.
- On eschatology in John I wonder. In chapters 5?6 the futuristic eschatology (resurrection in the last day) clearly appears as an unnecessary secondary addition. However, in chapters 11 or 14 it is the very basic material, which seems more like a ?common? or ?popular? interpretation to which the specifically Johannine understanding of realized eschatology is then added as the Truth (something like ?psychic? vs ?pneumatic? in later Gnosis). For instance, Martha?s ?I know he will resurrect in the last day? reinterpreted into ?I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in me will never die?.
- In a recent study on James, I have come to think about the Synoptic trio ?Peter, James and John? and its striking resemblance to the ?pillars? in Galatians 2:9 (though ?James? is not supposed to be the same). Leaving alone the shadowy figure of Peter, it seems clear to me that the Synoptic ?James son of Zebedee? is a fiction meant to disconnect the central figure of James (the brother of Jesus) from the group of the disciples (as is explicit in John 7, ?his brothers did not believe in him?). I just wonder how ?John? fits into this picture.
- Finally, and to come back to the Trinitarian subject, while I readily admit many additions to the fourth Gospel (such as the futuristic eschatology in chapters 5?6, the "flesh and blood" stuff or the role of Peter in chapter 21) as a kind of ?orthodox? token to the main church, I wouldn?t include the ?high christology? into this pattern, since it clearly exceeds any other NT christology. In fact I would rather plead that the ?divinity of Jesus? in its highest sense is mostly a Johannine creation, which later became the cornerstone of the Trinitarian synthesis, at a time when the Catholic church had completely lost sight of its original protognostic meaning. The Athanasius / Arius debate could only emerge when the Gnostic issue was thought of as resolved (by the final condemnation of Gnosticism).
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Enjoyed the question and the posts. Nietzsche wrote (with some exaggeration) that Pilate's question was the only meaningful saying in the Gospels.
GmFH?, you recalled me James Joyce's phrase: "History is a nightmare I am trying to wake of." It's certainly part of the truth, but is it all?
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Just lost our parents... Part 2
by 2escaped lifers infor part 1, see : http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/62447/1.ashx .
well, my dad did his "elder" duty and called the elders in whose territory we now live.
two of them came by to see us this past saturday morning.
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Thanks Guest 77: I was disfellowshipped almost 18 years ago and never received the least call since (only R&F JWs who forgot to avoid my house). According to what you say, my opinion is that "apostasy" remains the best way out!
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Diddle Ing Ding Ding Ding Ding Ding Ding.
by Englishman inshamelessly stolen!.
http://www.topeuro.co.uk//blagger/the_duel.html.
englishman.
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E-man,
My 6-year old daughter enjoyed it a lot! Thanks!
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HEY, MR. PRESIDENT, WHAT HAPPENED TO BILLY?
by Pleasuredome ingeorge bush goes to a primary school to talk about the war.
after his talk he offers question time.
one little boy puts up his hand and george asks him what his name is.. .
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Just lost our parents... Part 2
by 2escaped lifers infor part 1, see : http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/62447/1.ashx .
well, my dad did his "elder" duty and called the elders in whose territory we now live.
two of them came by to see us this past saturday morning.
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2 escaped lifers: Congratulations. I do hope in time this turns out better than you can expect with your family. Take care.
Guest 77, you wrote: "To walk away is not the same as being considered an apostate to them". Is there a practical difference? I was disfellowshipped as an apostate a long time ago, so I have no hint of the WT's present policy...
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The Sin of Sodom & Gomorrah in the Bible and Jewish Tradition
by Leolaia ini'm starting this thread to post some of my articles that originally appeared on a jokes thread which should probably better appear in the "bible research & study articles" folder.
so here goes...... what was the sin, or sin(s) that sodom & gormorrah was judged for?
the original account in genesis actually does not say.
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Badboy: the similar piece of fundamentalistic eisegesis (reading INTO the text whatever you want it to mean) I heard of featured the descendents of Seth as the "sons of God" and the (female) descendents of Cain as the "daughters of men"...
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Did you ever believe you were a good person only because...................
by BLISSISIGNORANCE in........................you were a dub, and that made you better than if you were not a dub?????????????.
it seems to come up in conversation time and time again with x or inactive dubs my hubby and i talk to.
we often discuss with them the reasons we left the borg, the things that that have really hurt us and the wrong teachings.
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I'd like to answer but... I'm desperately bad!
Merry Christmas though!