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  The Isaiah book?s?

  by l3gi0n in

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  what was the point of this book?

  what did we learn?

  we studied two books, 700+ pages, on the 66 chapters of isaiah, for 3 years, and what was learned?

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  Narkissos

  I'm thankful I never heard about those WT books (I opened this thread thinking it was about the various "books" included into the Biblical book of Isaiah!!).

  But your comments seem to show the "antitypical" stuff is still going on...
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  Opinion: Should Saddam Die?

  by seattleniceguy in

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  an opinion piece by seattleniceguy

  should saddam hussein die?

  saddam hussein is single-handedly responsible for the death and injury of millions of people.

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  Narkissos

  Osama still running, the essential "villain"'s role will not be vacant: Saddam may die.

  Btw, how's Pinochet doing?
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  Osiris-Dionysus

  by yxl1 in

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  just though it would be interesting to get your views on a series of events that were recorded 2,500bc.osiris-dionysus was born of a mortal virgin who after her death is honoured as a divine beingosiris-dionysus was born on either 25th december or 6th januarythe birth of osiris-dionysus is prophesised by a starosiris-dionysus turned water into wine at a weddingosiris-dionysus was surrounded by 12 disciplesosiris-dionysus rode triumphantly into town on a donkey while crowds waved branchesosiris-dionysus death and resurrection were celebrated by a ritual meal of bread and wine which symbolizes his body and bloodosiris-dionysus was accused of heresy and bringing a new religionfollowers of osiris-dionysus eat bread and drink wine to commune with him.osiris-dionysus was crucified on a treeosiris-dionysus died to redeem the sins of the worldosiris-dionysus corpse was wrapped in linen and anointed with myrrhosiris-dionysus is resurrected after 3 days and is witnessed by his disciples before ascending into heaventhe dates that osiris-dionysus died and ascended to heaven are exactly the same dates that are used for jesus death and ascending to heaventhree women followers visited osiris-dionysus empty tombfollowers of osiris-dionysus await his return as the judge during the last days.

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  Narkissos

  Thanks Pete: very interesting and challenging article. I still feel something's missing to account for the specific content of the first Pauline epistles, but the thesis points to the obvious lack of any reliable information on "Christianity" before Paul. I doubt Jesus can be altogether identified to Simon son of Judas, but there might be an important relationship between them. The "third quest" of the "historical Jesus" is just beginning, I guess...
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  A serious question about the angels that materialized pre-flood

  by TweetieBird in

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  according to the bible, the angels saw the daughters of men, materialized into human bodies and married the women, had children.

  here's my question...did they create for themselves a human body or did they transform themselves into a human body that already existed?

  i know this may seem silly, but i was just wondering where the sperm came from to impregnate the women?

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  Narkissos

  You're right Tuesday (btw, welcome!), it's very akin to Greek and other mythologies: in fact it IS mythology.

  You may have a look at http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/10/62942/1.ashx (the subject comes up after a few posts).
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  Jesus beside "the Only God"

  by grzesiek32 in

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  there are some verses that non-trinitarians like most, because those verses say about both jesus and "the only god".

  jn 17:3. now this is eternal life: that they may know you, the only true god, and jesus christ, whom you have sent.. (niv).

  "sovereign lord," (gr.

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  Welcome Greg,

  IMO the Bible does contradict itself. A lot. Probably a reason why I still like it.
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  Hidden Images in the JW Publications

  by Hunyadi in

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  2. scandals

  i am a disfellowshipped brother and have never had a problem with the organization's doctrines.

  i am, however, deeply disturbed at the undeniable use of hidden or subliminal images in the illustrations of the wt publications.

  there are so many that it cannot be interpreted as anything other than a deliberate pattern.

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  Narkissos

  Welcome!! -- Though on this topic you can count me out.
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  France opposes religious clothing

  by Soledad in

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  FBF: you're right, it will certainly help the kids whose parents will give it up. What percentage I don't know. But it will definitely isolate the others all the more.

  Another thing is that sometimes teenagers may be much more fanatic than their parents. This happens among JWs. I remember a Jewish family, pretty open at a time, which was lead into headstrong orthodoxy by the eldest son when he became 13 or 14 years old -- probably under fundamentalistic (Lubavitch) influence. The same happens in Muslim families: parents may have a reasonable or even liberal attitude with their religious practice, but their children themselves may find they are not taking it seriously enough. Nothing's simple!
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  Seeking Jesus

  by Leolaia in

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  for some of us who leave the b.org, we realize that the society wasn't telling us the truth about who jesus is.

  that's in a sense okay, since jesus' own disciples didn't really know either -- when he asked them, they gave all sorts of different answers.

  i don't think the bible gives a single answer as well.

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  Narkissos

  Leolaia,

  The thread initiated (?) by Plato is still running in contemporary cognitive and learning theory. Just as a one link in the chain, Blaise Pascal's Christ says to him in the well-known "Memorial": "You wouldn't seek me if you hadn't first found me."

  When I was a JW, I was already very sensitive to the figure of Jesus as it appears in the Gospels. I became a pioneer in the late 70's, when (under the influence of people such as Ray Franz) the emphasis in the WT publications was displaced from JW's specific doctrines to the basic teachings common to Christianity. When I drifted away, in the 80's, I was all the more fascinated by the character of Jesus. This gave ME the strength to undergo the big human loss that is almost everyone's share on this board. Later I came to understand, through Biblical criticism, what this Jesus character was made of. Eventually I gave up monotheism, but I still hold the Gospels' Jesus (or Jesuses?) as very important to me. I still have some "faith", and I know it can't be related to any historical character, but it is certainly linked somehow to the "textual texture" of scripture in the broadest sense. And, yes, strange as it may be, it all originated in my family JW venture. Without that I could have never read the Bible or got interested in religion, and turned a very different person. Would it have been better or worse? Never mind. Being is becoming.
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  Just received Crisis of Conscience!!

  by acsot in

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  i've already exited the jws in mind and heart, and have read many comments from everyone about the book, so didn't really see the need to buy it for myself.

  however, after reading something here on the forum, i decided to order it (and the tao of pooh and siddhartha.

  ) a super-dub sits two desks away from (she and her husband knew ray and his wife, had tea with them in their room when he was on the gb, etc.

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  Narkissos

  I read CoC a few months after I was disfellowshipped. I loved the book. (Joker, don't read it, it would leave nothing of your preconceptions of the "hateful apostate" scarecrow.) I got in touch with Ray and even began to translate the book into French but unfortunately had to stop. Now I know it's translated (thanks Celia!) and hope it will be published very soon... (Btw, Frenchbabyface, Jacques Luc whose site contains two chapters of the French translation is also the founder of TJ-Questions board; you'll find the link on his site.)
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  Feeling Hopeful again!

  by azaria in

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  im finally (after about six weeks) starting to feel hopeful again.

  it has been a horrible time for me.

  i talked to an old friend who i trust about my feelings; about calvinism.

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  Narkissos

  Azaria,

  Shortly after I was disfellowshipped from JWs I attended a theological Faculty where the dogmatics were essentially calvinist. I didn't realize it when I began, but a few weeks later I was a heretic again.

  Trust your guts, or heart, or whatever organ you wish, and may it lead you to really "independent thinking"!

  Merry Christmas to you too,