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144 thousand

by jody in

hey i need help.

i am stuck trying to explain when the 144 thousand without any refference material.

i am stuck in a remote lacal debating a couple of things and this topice came up.

AGuest

May you have peace!

May I attempt an explanation at what the Revelations SAYS? Thank you:

"... a hundred and forty-four thousand, sealed out of ... every tribe... of the sons of Israel."

I ask you, what is so 'mysterious' about that? My Father made a promise to Abraham regarding his (Abraham's) 'seed'. The 'sealing' of the 144,000 is in fulfillment of that promise. Israel rebelled, rejected God, rejected His Son, their 'saviour'... but so that His word that when forth from His mouth would not return without results, God... 'sealed' 144,000 of Abraham's seed, out of each tribe, excluding Dan (Joseph received a 'double share').

Where the WT is WRONG, however, is they misinterpret this number to be made up of both Israelites (Jews)... AND the nations. They are in error. First, the 144,000 are Israelites, with only TWO tribes being "Jews"... Judah... and Benjamin... which tribes actually did make up the Jews. The other TEN tribes, however, make up the 10-tribe kingdom of Israel... the Samaritans. Jews (Judah and Benjamin), were the 2-tribe kingdom of Judah, that occupied Judea, with its capital city of Jerusalem. However, the 10-tribe kingdom of Israel occupied the territory of SAMARIA (thus, they are 'Samaritans'), with its capital city of Bethel (which was a center of false worship due to Jeroboam's installation of non-Levitical priests into service at the temple there because he didn't want to travel all the way to Jerusalem. Some of those priests left Bethel... and went and served in the temple at Jerusalem).

But the 'sacred secret' that the WT has completely overlooked is that the NATIONS would rule WITH Israel... as kings and priests. That is why AFTER seeing those sealed from among the sons of Israel, John ALSO saw... 'a great crowd'... which NO man was able to number. Where did John see this 'crowd'? "Standing before the throne of God."

Now, the WT erroneously teaches that such 'standing' is not actually BEFORE the throne, but 'in sight of'. That is a lie, for at least two reasons:

1. God's throne is in heaven, and these were standing before that throne; thus, they, too, were in heaven; and (most importantly)

2. It is what such ones were DOING that let's us know who they are: RENDERING SACRED SERVICE IN THE TEMPLE OF GOD.

I ask you, who can RIGHTLY render 'sacred service' in God's temple... except priests?

Is there 'scriptural' basis for this understanding? Yes. Revelation 5:9, 10, says:

"... with your blood you bought persons for God
out of EVERY tribe and tongue and people and nation...
and you made THEM to be... a kingdom... and PRIESTS
to our God... and they will rule AS KINGS... over
the earth."

Notice such ones did not come 'out of' ONLY 'the sons of Israel'... but EVERY nation, tribe, tongue and people.

The WT has perpetuated the LIE that the 144,000 represent only a small flock of 'sheep' that will go to heaven. In TRUTH, while the Israelites in particular, and Jews in general DID represent a small flock, my Lord said that he also had OTHER sheep that he would call... and these would become ONE flock... with one shepherd.

By convincing its followers that only 144,000 are included in the co-rulership with Christ, the WT has successfully 'shut up the kingdom of the heavens before men', which is what they were set up by Satan to do. They have convinced more than 15,000,000 people (counting those dead in the flesh and those who attend their 'Memorial)... NOT to 'eat and drink' the flesh of Christ... which is how one comes into UNION with God and Christ ('communion' - and no, I am not Catholic). They have in essenced completely DENIED the 'bread of life' to many of mankind by convincing them that they are unworthy to eat and drink, in DIRECT OPPOSITION of my Lord's words at John 6:48-56.

The 144,000 are literal Israelites, fleshly 'seed' of Abraham. the 'great crowd' are those who REPLACE Israel, who was first invited to become my Father's chosen 'nation', but lost such by means of their hard-heartedness.

The 12 Apostles then, were witnesses of Christ... 'in all Judea and Samaria'. They were sent to the 'lost sheep of Israel'. Paul, however... was an apostle... 'to the nations'. And it was he that revealed the 'sacred secret' revealed to HIM... that a people who was NOT His, would be called His... by my Father. Such people... are the nations, tribes and tongues... that make up the 'great crowd'.

I bid you peace,

A slave of Christ,

SJ

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Demons and Inanimate Objects - Unbiblical?

by VM44 in

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the watchtower society has for years written that demons might attach themselves.

to inanimate objects, which an unwary jw might bring home.

the demons then.

AGuest

May you all have peace!

Dearest NeonMadman, you are correct... voodoo 'religion' believes that spirits inhabit inanimate objects. "Funny", ain't it, how the WT folks don't 'see' that.

Dearest Noidea, yes... you are correct. That is why the demons weren't simply released, but sent into swine. What is even more noteworthy, however, is why the swine were sent into the sea. It was for the same reason that a flood was sent in Noah's day: while fire can destroy a spirit... water... can 'bind' it (i.e., imprison it). Thus, it is such 'spirits' that are referred to in Revelation when John stated, "The sea... gave up those dead... in it." Indeed, there's a lot more to water... physical AND spiritual... than most know. Both are necessary for a great many more reasons than only preserving life.

But then, who cares... none of these things are of much interest to 'terrestrial' flesh, yes?

Again, I bid you all peace,

A slave of Christ,

SJ

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Demons and Inanimate Objects - Unbiblical?

by VM44 in

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the watchtower society has for years written that demons might attach themselves.

to inanimate objects, which an unwary jw might bring home.

the demons then.

AGuest

Dearest VM44... may you have peace!

The WT teaching is false. Demons are live... albeit spirit... beings, and therefore must inhabit things that have spirit in THEM: animals and people... and perhaps plants (plants are a LIFE form).

It is only the FALSE gods, those whose worshippers made idols to represent them... idols that have eyes but cannot see, ears but cannot hear, mouths but cannot speak, legs but cannot walk... that are inanimate.

The 'Society' uses such 'superstition' to control the flock of God and 'mislead, if possible, even the holy ones.' They succeed, to some great extent, but not entirely. For those of that flock that hear the voice of my Lord, are led out. They QUIT touching the 'unclean' that is the Watchtower Bible & Tract Society of the Religious Order of the Christian Congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses and Kingdom Service... Incorporated... an 'idol' in its own right.

It is the 'golden calf' set up by the previous generation in place my Father, JAH OF ARMIES, due to the 'delay' of the Master... "Moses", my Lord JAHESHUA MISCHAJAH... the 'mediator' of a NEW Covenant, while he is away 'preparing a place' for us. Just as Moses took too long to come back down the mountain and the people cried out for a god that they could SEE to worship... and 'built' a golden calf with their gold... and called IT 'Jehovah'... so, too, the WTBTS has established its VISIBLE 'representation of the Lord on earth'... has breathed life into it by means of its two horns... The Watchtower and Awake!... and tell all those on the earth... to worship IT. And they, too, call it 'Jehovah'.

I am grateful that you see the error, VM44. May I ask, now that you 'see', have you yet 'heard' the good news of the kingdom? It is a simple invitation, one that invites YOU... as well as all who 'wish' it... to:

"COME! Take 'life's water'... free!

I bid you peace.

A slave of Christ,

SJ

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Mass 'coming out': Revealing Our Identities

by philo in

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on a the exmormon board i started a topic about fear of the organisation (link below).

'stumped' put up this idea.... in america, founded on freedom, folks are afraid to discuss their church.

it's loterally scary.. anybody wanna take a challenge tostate their name, address, phone number.

AGuest

Been there and done that, Philo. If anyone here... or in the WTBTS... wants to reach me, all they need do is ask. I've nothing to hide... but a LOT to 'expose'.

Peace to you, dear one!

A slave of Christ,

SJ

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IF YOU COULD SPEAK TO THE G.B.? WHAT?

by Winston in

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if you were granted to speak 100 words or less before the g.b.

and entire bethel family what would you say?

( all right maybe more than 100 words).

AGuest

My dear sirs:

You are false prophets and false christs. And you KNOW you are false prophets and false christs, because you KNOW you don't have any idea what you are doing... who you are following... or where you are truly going. Therefore, save yourselves... and most importantly, save the people you are misleading and STOP trying to lead what is NOT yours to lead.

Therefore, if you TRULY which to be a 'guest' in the 'tent' of my Father, remove yourselves from the 'seat of Moses', where you have placed YOURSELVES... and turn around... and repent. If you do, seasons of refreshment will come to be upon the persons of YOU, for my Father is merciful and shows mercy to ALL those whose hearts are contrite, who recognize their nakedness and error... and who beg for forgiveness. And in TRUTH, such mercy and forgiveness can be yours... all you need do is 'wish' it.

Sincerely,

A TRUE slave of Christ and a TRUE servant to the Household of God, Israel, by means of an actual anointing with holy spirit... and not one that has been 'perceived' by my own mind...

SJ

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What are your PET PEEVES? Register them here!

by Spartacus in

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what ticks you off, makes you grind your teeth and go absolutely nuts!

!

AGuest

I think THE greatest 'pet' peeve I have, is unloving, uncaring, STUPID parents.

Parents who walk across a crowded parking lot with a toddler walking 2 to 10 steps behind them yelling, "Hurry UP!" ratehr than realizing a 2-3 year old is STILL A BABY. Parents who dress their kids in the lastest fashions so they LOOK cute, but they can barely spell C-A-T. Parents who LET their children be disrespectful and rude to others. Parents who don't care enough to attend parent/teacher conferences, help with homework, etc., which sends a message to the child that "I don't really care that much."

Parents who, for some reason, don't realize that THEY have chosen to add a person to this world and have RESPONSIBILITY toward that child to help guide him or her. Parents who say to their child, from an early age, "I can't WAIT until you're 18 and you move out" or "Your moving out when you turn 18." Such a parent, to ME, has already set that child up to begin thinking that 18 means 'adult'... mentally, emotionally and psychologically. Indeed, some are, but my goodness, if we live an average 70-80 years, we only HAVE 18-20 years to be 'children'. We will be GROWN... for 50-60 years... which is LONG enough. And thus, be default, parents who push their children into adulthood SO fast, that such children entirely miss out on BEING children, and therefore revert BACK to thinking, reasoning, acting and FEELING like children at a time when they SHOULD be thinking, reasoning, acting... and FEELING... like adults.

I know... 'long-winded' Shelby. Well... you asked.

Peace!

A slave of Christ,

SJ

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Ahimelech, Jesus and Inerrancy

by Simon in

apologies for plagurism.

i don't know where i originally got this from so can't give due credit.... how much did jesus know about the bible?

not having a handy edition around, he had to rely on his memory.

AGuest

Hi, Simon... and may you have peace!

May I take a 'stab' at it and respond to you? Thank you.

How much did Jesus know about the Bible?

John 5:39, 40

"Have you never once read...

2 Timothy 3:16

what David did when he fell in need and got hungry, he and the men with him?

See gsark's response, above.

How he entered into the house of God

1 Samuel 22:19

in the account about Abiathar the chief priest,

The verse didn't say, 'in the days of' Abiathar, 'in the ACCOUNT about Abiathar'. Thus, the record had to do with Abiathar's actions, more than that of Abimelech.

ate the loaves of presentation, which it is not lawful for anybody to eat except the priests

Actually, there was such a law.

Exodus 29:33
Leviticus 21:17-22
Leviticus 24:9
1 Samuel 21: 4, 6

and he gave some also to the men who were with him?"

Notice the word 'us'... at 1 Samuel 21:5

I hope this helps... and again, I bid you peace.

A slave of Christ,

SJ

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!st Century door-door question

by philo in

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anybody know about hospitality customs in jesus day?.

if the custom was to invite everyone who called inside your home for milk and cookies, and if it was rude to refuse this hospitality - the door-door ministry must have been sooo sloooow.. whatdja fink?.

philo

AGuest

Hello, dear Philo... and peace to you!

Believe it or not, my 'brothers' and I continue this 'law' down to this day. Whenever we get together, we greet each other with hugs and kisses, share the bread and wine... and wash each other's feet. Usually, we all just do it no matter whose home we're in, but we know that the primary 'responsibility' falls on whoever's house we're at. I cannot TELL you how humbling it is to have your feet washed... by someone who WANTS to do it. It is such a tender-loving act. And we have ALL found that we would rather WASH feet, than have ours washed. It seems to US that the 'better' position is the one on the floor, rather than the one in the chair.

We also eat meals, watch TV/videos, roast marshmallows, go for a hike, swim, play cards, dominos, board games, cook, sleepover, do laundry and dishes... regular everyday stuff. And everyone shares what he/she has 'received' from the spirit... or has read from the scriptures in connection to what we already know and understand. You know, a kind of 'second witness' to something we've already 'heard', but never saw written until now.

Whoever's house it is usually takes the main thrust of providing sustenance for all of the others. Since some have more than others, though, sometimes we all bring something, too. We almost always give each others gifts, too, when arriving at the house. Nothing expensive, but just a 'token' of OUR gratitude for being 'received' hospitably. This part is NOT 'law', but for some reason, we all seem to do it.

There is no 'meeting', no 'service', no 'sermon', no 'preaching'. At first, we didn't know WHAT to do... or how to do it. WE knew that although we had left the WTBTS in particular... and 'religion' in general... we STILL loved God and Christ. Eventually, we just learned that sharing what the spirit reveals to us... and showing love toward one another... was the primary requirement. After that, things kinda fell into place; we actually just do what the first century folks did... have an 'interchange' of encouragement that includes our physical lives, as well as our spiritual ones.

Our 'gatherings' are not premeditated. There is no set schedule. We get together as we can. Sometimes its all of us; sometimes it's one or two families. Sometimes, it one or two from two or more families. We don't judge one another's weaknesses, but if someone has something on their 'conscience' that they need to confess, they are free to do that. It does not happen like a 'ritualistic' confessional, but instead, someone (me, perhaps), might say something like, "I don't want to stumble you guys, but look, this is what's going on with me." We then simply forgive one another whatever 'sins' WE believe we have committed (for which of us has NOT sinned, and who doesn't WANT forgiveness?), and ask for help and guidance from my Lord through holy spirit, reassure one another of our love... and offer assistance, if needed. We then 'move on', and just increase in love.

If someone is in financial need, whether among us or if we've come to know about it outside of us, we all do what we can. We have delivered groceries, paid electric bills, rent, served dinner at a shelter, donated to shelters, given to fatherless children... whatever the Spirit lets us know about. And we don't ask one another to do so; one might do it and by happenstance another finds out and offers to help, too. There is no 'interest' or repayment expected, for our Father, JAH OF ARMIES, has provided us all with the MINIMUM sustenance and covering, and some with a little bit more. But He always... ALWAYS... repays US... for whatever kindness we have shown another. Our 'cisterns' are ALWAYS 'full', and there is no lacking.

We have no leader... and there are no man/woman 'issues'. We ALL talk and share. Even the children. If they have something 'spiritual' they want to say, it is received with the same respect we afford the adults. We don't just sit around talking about 'Bible' stuff, either. There are family issues, etc. In fact, HOURS could pass before someone shares something. But something... is always 'shared'. Always. Because in truth, that is the purpose for us gathering, is to stay 'united' in the faith.

We have learned that 'worshipping' God does not require a building, a format, a program, an institution, an organization, rules, regulations, and 'order'. Our love provides the 'order', for we are all VERY respectful of one another. But God doesn't 'dwell' in handmade temples; rather, He dwells in US... through Christ. Sometimes the presence of holy spirit is SO evident, someone is brought to tears. Not like 'holy-roller' stuff... we're not dramatic at all. But just being so FILLED up with such spirit, one becomes OVERWHELMED at times, and if you are sensitive (as some of us women are), the tears come. They are tears of joy, though... of being 'moved'. No outcry or loud outbursts or dancing and shaking, etc. Just tears sometimes... and goosebumps a LOT of times.

I am telling you this because there are many out there who wonder how one CAN 'worship' God without belonging to a 'church' or other religious organization. We have learned, though, that it doesn't matter WHERE you are, if God's spirit dwells in you by means of Christ, there THEY are. I have had conversations standing in the line at the grocery store, and 'felt' the spirit 'bear witness' with me.

We have truly been 'unyoked' from unbelievers... and 'yoked' to Christ, in that we are FREE to worship God in spirit. We are FREE to love Him as He loves us... and most importantly, free to love all others. We have NO lack of love for ANYONE... including those who consider us their 'enemies'. Hatred... is a HEAVY load to carry... and we have placed that 'burden'... avenging our enemies... on Christ. It is his 'call' and we have nothing against anyone, nor would we stand in judgment of anyone. When the time comes, we have all pretty much agreed (not in principle, but in similarity) that there is NO ONE we would personally condemn. Not one. For any reason.

Anyway, that is how we 'worship' God, still, even apart from religion... and in the face of opposition from both unbelievers... and many so-called 'believers'.

I bid you peace, Philo... and glad that I could be of assistance to you in understanding the previous matter.

I am YOUR servant, and a slave of Christ,

SJ

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!st Century door-door question

by philo in

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friends

anybody know about hospitality customs in jesus day?.

if the custom was to invite everyone who called inside your home for milk and cookies, and if it was rude to refuse this hospitality - the door-door ministry must have been sooo sloooow.. whatdja fink?.

philo

AGuest

Hi, Philo... and may you have peace!

First, you must understand that not all of the law was 'written', for indeed only ten commandments were contained on the stone tablets, yes? There was indeed the 'oral' law... which all of God's people KNEW, BEFORE the Law Covenant, DURING the Law Covenant and after it, under the NEW Covenant:

Genesis 18:4-7
1 Samuel 25:18, 41
Matthew 25:35 (this is my Lord indicating a person who did not simply SPEAK the law, but LIVED it)
John 13:2-5, 12-17 (in this, my Lord DEMONSTRATED the law...)
Luke 7:37-45 (here, my Lord pointed out how some did NOT follow the law of hospitality, except one very sinful woman)
1 Timothy 5:10 (following this law was a requirement for widows seeking to be 'put on the list')

The principle is based on the written 'law' of Deuteronomy 15:7-11, as reiterated at Isaiah 58:6, 7, which basically stated that we ARE our brother's 'keeper'. We are responsible for one another, to the extent we have... and they don't. If they were rich, you would receive them into your home with refreshments and service. Such 'hospitality' was due the poor as well. Thus, ALL were to be received hospitably, for there wasn't supposed to be any differentiating between the rich and the poor.

Some think of this as a 'custom' more so than a law. However, had it been only a 'custom', my Lord would not have pointed it out to those who did not do it for him, nor would he have done it for his disciples. He did it, in FURTHER fulfillment of the LAW. He did it... and told THEM to do it. This... fulfilled the TRUE spirit of the Law... love.

I hope this helps, Philo. And I bid you peace, everlastingly.

YOUR servant and a slave of Christ,

SJ

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Has Englishman Got A Bigger.....?

by Englishman in

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ask her ladyship!

here she is answering questions at last weekends barbie..... .

englishman.. ..... fanaticism masquerading beneath a cloak of reasoned logic.

AGuest

Either that, Think... or the Eman's got an even BIGGER secret than we know (hey, melanin don't come off, does it?)

I'm sorry... I'm sorry... I'm SORRRRYYYYY I 'went there', but well, you guys be... uh, 'influencin' me. Yeah, that's it... 'bad association' blah, blah, blah...

Peace!

SJ... on my own again.