how long have you guys been out of the truth and what family background of the truth do you guys have?.
i 've read profiles and the comments and i wonder who was the newest to come out...?.
emmm what is the latest on the generation theory?.
Who are you guys?
We are The League of Extraordinary Apostates
I had to do that.
I snuck out like a Ninja and faded. I have been away for about five+ years. I moved 200 miles away, but am bored here in the middle of the upland desert. I'm trying to move back to Seattle.
What ever you do, good luck with it.
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lol.
ok here goes.... how old were you your first time?
I just turend 30, and am still waiting
How did I do it?
On nights when the moon is full, I lock my cats and dog out of my room, and chain myself to the wall.
I drink lots of Holy Water-TM.
I eat lots of ice cubes, frozen Holy Water-TM of course.
And I used to s-s-s-s-s-t-t-t-u-u-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-e-e-e-e-r-r-r-r-r.
Now that I'm a practicing Taoist, most of that has cleared up.
Notice how Jehuber Dog had nothing to do with this?
i can't stand it when people do not pronounce their ings and instead finish those words with in'.
"talkin', eatin', typin'"....i hate that!
I hate it when people fart in the kitchen or around food. That is just not right.
any one in here who was raised as a jw ever have a problem with bed wetting growing up?
At the time we were not JWs. Up to the age of 5 I would pee my bed at least three times a week. A Dr. asked me if I knew why. I told him that I dreamt that I was getting out of bed to pee, but in the dream when I would let R rip, I'd instantly wake up in the act of pissing myself. We talked for a while, and he helped me figure a way to wake up from the dream.
In my dreams as an adult, if I start wandering around looking for a restroom or other, I eventually wake up. My nephew used to wet his bed, but I think he is also past that now.
found this interesting list on a website devoted to recovery from substance abuse.
they're talking here about alcoholics anonymous.
not the organization as a whole, but individual groups where someone emerges with a narrow view of what constitutes "true recovery" and... well... just read the list.. cult watch .
Is it just me? or does anybody else see the political climate getting this way too?
Sorry to hijack, I just think this is interesting.
(january 9, 2004) .
on friday, the united states government lowered the national threat level from an high to elevated risk of terrorist attack -- or as more commonly known, from a orange code to yellow code.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/homeland/ .
I think that the JWs taught us that fear is a useful and powerful tool to be used to control and influence people.
the person in question is my husband's mother who is a jw.
she is in her late 40s... has been a devout dub for 20 years or so, and has never to my knowledge had any spiritual "problems".
she exhibits every characteristic that the typical rank-and-file should have.
Hello Somebody
I agree with your assesment of her mental/physical/spiritual condition. Psychosomatic illness. Sort of like the inverse of the placebo effect.
Unfortunately, I think that it will be best for you to let her go through this process. Just like a person recovering from drug addiction, if they are "given" too much help, their recovery has less meaning and is prone to eventual failure. I am sorry, but she is in for alot of pain. If she ever realizes that she is doing it too herself, she can get out of that trap.
I think that your best bet is to give what love and kindness that you can, without draining yourself.
Peace.
in general, after nearly forty years in the "truth", i conclude that most witnesses are no prize as friends.. there are several reasons why:.
their "love" is often very conditional and qualified - sort of a "i'll be your friend as long as you count time and attend meetings" situation.. they are often so busy with theocratic busywork ( field service, meetings) that they have little time left for anything .
creative or interesting, like a real hobby.
I agree that that is the experience of most JWs. I was never popular or gung-ho, but I did make two very close friends.One was the guy studying with me, even though I was mostly raised in the troof. I felt it in my heart and mind that if either one of them were ever DFd, I would still be their friend. My love was/is not conditional.
I moved away and Fred went to Venezuaela. Our other friend stayed in the area but moved to a different hall to be a MS. I became innactive and Fred got DFd. Our other friend eventually became innactive and then started looking at JW beliefs in depth. Skipping many details, when I first saw Fred again the first thing out of his mouth was "I'm DFd". I told him point blank that I didn't care and that I still cared for him. He is slowly getting past our JW past.
One of the weird aspects of our relationship is that Fred doesn't know yet that I am gay. Our other friends know, and thought it best not to tell him as it might imbalance him and send him running back to the org. We are a pretty tight group, so that does sadden me a little.
Last August our other friend was getting married, so Fred took us to a strip club for the bachelor party. The straight boys that knew thought is was very funny that Fred kept buying me lap dances. I feel somewhat guilty, as if I owe him $60 or something.
And that's my little tale of JW friends, FWIW.
well i just got back from a tattoo convention.
thought you might like to see.
two little blue eyed guppies frolicking...another one for my girls... .
Very nice. He did it in one sitting? I love tats on other people. I mull the idea of getting a few, but am not shure what I would want to keep on me "Forever". If I had one on my back, I'm thinking either a Ygdrassil type world-tree or maybe twinned serpents entwined around my spine, one bright green, the other blue and violet. I also like yin-yang symbols. Your fish look very happy. Thanks for showing.
i am brand new here.
just browsing so far though makes me think that i may be spending a lot of time with you guys.
in searching for info i stumbled across this board because i have just run into a problem with the witnesses.
I wish you the best of luck here.
IMO-If the elders WANT to DF you, they WILL FIND a way to do so. As for the legal blustering, you do have access to legal counsel that may not be expensive. Most people do not. The BoRg have an almost inexhaustable well to economically draw from. I guess I'm saying if you decide to bluff, be prepaired for them to call you on it.
Just be the best dad to your children that you can be. Spend time doing interesting activities, that they may not have as JW kids. Encourage education and extracuricular activities. Communicate openly with them. Be prepared that they may leave your life for a time if they get baptized. And accept that.
AMAZING(spelling???) does have a wonderful story of how he got his family out. Your situation is different, but the spirit of his concepts could be useful to you.
I do not mean to be or sound presumptuous, I am not a parent, I am not divorced or married.
Welcome.
