That is one thing I have always wonder about and I mention it to my wife, I find it hard to believe that 144,000 or a great deal would have come from tjhe Christians in the first century. Just by looking at some groups of people who were baptised in the scriputures during Christian times not to mention the scriptures said that if everything Jesus did could not be written in the scriptures, so one would have to believe that they should only be a few anointed left on the earth today
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Why the number of "anointed" will never decrease...
by dozy injw theology suggests that the work of gathering in the "144,000" has all but ended , particularly since 1935 , and that the number will inevitably diminish to nil.
indeed , some jws maintain that all the anointed will have died and resurrected before armageddon arrives.
the watchtower claims that the fact (?
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Please explain how disfellowshipping is a loving gesture
by McKafka99 incan someone please outline the rationale and scriptures used to support the idea that disfellowshipping is a loving gesture?
i am trying to understand how this behavior is justified, when in my mind in seems a simple matter; one only needs ask oneself, 'if jesus (or jehovah) were standing next to you, would jesus (or jehovah), support any shunning-type actions?
' i find it very difficult that the answer would ever be 'yes'.
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My problem in and if itself is not with the disfellowshiping, it is how it is done. Less face facts, most if not all organizations have some way of punishing people who do not follow the rules. Some of these are gangs, clubs, government and faternities. WE all know this to be fact. For instance if a person committs a crime is this country or any or most countries they can be fine throw in Jail(solitary confinement). Heck some countries even still stone people for adultry and sex before marriage. HOWEVER - the problem I have is the case and the facts should be know. The court cases in the bible were tried at the city gate, so that all onlookers would now wither justice was being served. In the case of disfellowingshipping it is done in a back room with just you and three elders or more. No recordings are anything is allow to really know what took place in the meeting. Therefore some people get DF because they get nervous or even bullied.
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Thank goodness - I have 16 years to worry about that - my daughter is only 6 months old !
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HELP
by unique1 inmy mom wants to know my beliefs and well, i am gonna tell her.
what do i have to lose?
she is already not speaking to me in public?
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Find a letter about the society being part of the UN for the from Paul Hoeffel himself and watch her face -- and say no more :-)
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144000 does it make sense?
by scrubmaster ini wish we there was a search function on this board, i am sure this topic has been addressed.
but when and if you believe in the bible would it make since that there was less then a 144,000 anointed christians in the early christians times.
i mean the bible states the whole world at the time had been filled with the the teachings of the christians.
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I wish we there was a search function on this board, I am sure this topic has been addressed. But when and if you believe in the bible would it make since that there was less then a 144,000 anointed Christians in the early christians times. I mean the bible states the whole world at the time had been filled with the the teachings of the christians. That being the case based on the population as a whole may have been back there is it does not seem possible that there were not 144,000 Christians or more.
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Accepting your mortality sets you free from JWism.
by Spectrum init was a depressing feeling when i realised i was actually going to die like everybody else.
who me, die?
no chance.
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What if there is a hope for everlasting life -- does it have to be an all or nothing proposition?
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I realize people hear lack faith, Can't change them, but may this will help
by jw inthe apostle paul told the christians in the ancient city of philippi: "this is what i continue praying, that your love may abound yet more and more with accurate knowledge and full discernment.
philippians 1:9
similarly, accurate knowledge is needed for you to be motivated to believe in god.
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JW here is my response -- people had in the bible had faith in the Jewish religious leader and the Jewish system of things -- what did it get them ? Faith in Jehovah and Jesus is far better then faith in a man made organization.
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JWs Try To Micro-Manage Every Possible Scenario In Life!
by minimus inwhy can't witnesses be like normal people?
because they have to think about every single possibility that might or could occur.
what if someone could be "stumbled" by my course?
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It's funny that when a weak witness is in financial trouble, discouraged, without work, or with a personal problem, they don't think of how they can help that person.
That's not only a possible scenario, it's happening all the time.
What the brothers will do in this case is tell you to go to a family memeber, even if the person is DFD or not in the truth -- so when having money problems it always come down to asking those relatives who are in the truth first -- then those who are DFD and not associated -- could you image some one going to some one they have not spoken to for years because this person is DFD and then asking for monetary help
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Would Jesus ?
by scrubmaster ini have been thinking about this for a while and while a lot of things posted here deal with directing at the wrong things in the org -- here is another way to look at things.
for those that do not believe in the bible or jesus -- this will not be relevant...... if jesus were here on the earth today in charge of the congregation - -would he give the elders a flock book and then tell them this is what is to be used, with out the friends knowledge when it came to judicial cases.
would he threaten ones who look at it?
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I have been thinking about this for a while and while a lot of things posted here deal with directing at the wrong things in the org -- here is another way to look at things. For those that do not believe in the bible or Jesus -- this will not be relevant.....
If Jesus were here on the earth today in charge of the congregation - -would he give the elders a flock book and then tell them this is what is to be used, with out the friends knowledge when it came to judicial cases. Would he threaten ones who look at it? of course the answer is no.
Would have call those who have sin into some secret room and then ask them all types of questions to determine if they were repentant or not? Or would he expose those religious leaders who put heavy loads on the rank and file and often times seem more bent on dfing then showing loving help?
We he strongly condemn the UN as being the disgusting thing and the wild beast and then sign up for a library card to get access to information the wildbeast had to offer? Especially if a signing up was not needed to get access to the library.
Would he every month look to collect field service reports to see how spiritual a person was? Could you imagine him turning to Peter and saying how many field services hours did you put in this month?
Could you image Jesus providing endless rules or guidelines for the congregation or would he just set forth principles for the ones in the congregation, realizing that those who truly love him will following the principles with out needing rules or a lot of things.
Could you image Jesus ruling that once DF a person would have to stay out at least a year before they could reapply to get back into good standing. Is there a time limit on when a person is truly repentant is it just possible that it could be a few weeks days or months ( ie Peter denying the Christ and Jesus did not DF him)
Would Jesus one year say that something is a sin and then change his mind later to say it was not a sin?
These are just a few of the things I came up with. I am sure there is plenty more
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Comments You Will Not Hear at the 4-23-06 WT Study (Load)
by blondie incomments you will not hear at the april 23, 2006 wt study (march 15, 2006 issue, pages 21-25)(load).
review comments will be in red.
wt material from today's wt will be in black.
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If 2 people of the opposite sex are alone at night, sex has occurred and they can be disfellowshipped; if it happens during the day..........
Yeah -- when things are all say and done I am going to post some letters I got from the society on this one. Cause my questions was what if the people invovled were know night workers and therefore would only been seen in the house for long period of times during the day