I can't even begin to imagine by what logic Noah's ark can prove the Bible. Can you help me out with that one?
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seattleniceguy
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An evening of debauchery -- brought to you by Jehovah's Witnesses
by logansrun inhow did i spend my new years eve?
with a bunch of drunk jehovahs witnesses, that's how!
my best friend -- who hasn't been to a meeting in three months and has referred to isaiah books i and ii as "shit" -- has connections with the outer periphery of the organization's young folk.
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Productive sleep?
by seattleniceguy inthe last few months for me have been quite a journey.
after i first left the organization in september, i found that my drive to work, to play, even to eat, was shot.
i was faced with a prospect i had never considered - living out my life in this system of things - and i had no idea what i wanted to do.
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Chris,
Thanks for your reply. I very rarely have nightmares. Mostly just dreams. It seems like lately they have been exceedingly brilliant and real, complete even with tactile sensations. I don't think that the dreams themselves are interfering with my waking life, but I do think that the things I am sorting out can and do interfere. But like you say, I think my mind is making progress.
Elsewhere,
I don't think I need drugs. I'll keep your suggestion in mind, however.
The rational part of me believes that dreams are merely productions of our subconscious mind as it deals with thoughts and emotions. But the hopeful side of me wishes that perhaps it is true, that dreams are spiritual somehow, that they connect us with other humans on some plane, that they portend things. Any thoughts on this?
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Productive sleep?
by seattleniceguy inthe last few months for me have been quite a journey.
after i first left the organization in september, i found that my drive to work, to play, even to eat, was shot.
i was faced with a prospect i had never considered - living out my life in this system of things - and i had no idea what i wanted to do.
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seattleniceguy
The last few months for me have been quite a journey. After I first left the organization in September, I found that my drive to work, to play, even to eat, was shot. I was faced with a prospect I had never considered - living out my life in this system of things - and I had no idea what I wanted to do.
Lately, I've been sleeping a lot, sometimes 12 hours a night. The sleep feels very productive, filled with long dreams, which make me feel like I have slept for years by the time I wake up. On the one hand, I feel a bit like a slob for getting up so late, but on the other hand, I feel like my mind is sorting a lot of stuff out, putting things together, regrouping for the battle ahead.
Last night (perhaps I should say, this morning) I dreamed a very long story-dream about my JW girlfriend, M. I found her at her residence and she was willing to talk to me! I told her why I had to leave the organization. She was afraid to let her mind follow me completely, but she didn't debate. After what seemed like days, it seemed like she was weighing things in her mind...I was hoping against hope....But I never got to find out the answer, because I woke up first.
Do you think that dreams can be productive? Do you have any experiences of productive sleep?
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Seattle Area Meet-up
by Gretchen956 innew years is almost upon us and hell has frozen over, oops, i mean the seahawks have stumbled their way into the playoffs.
its time to set our mind to a get-together!
seattle area and those who can travel easily to seattle, lets put our heads together and decide on something mutually acceptable!
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seattleniceguy
Oooh, downtown Seattle? Gretchen, you're going to spoil me on my first apostafest. They all sound great to me. I've never really had French, though, so the adventure-factor is high with that one. But I will be more than happy with any of them.
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How Can We Help JWs That Come On This Board To "Discuss"?
by minimus in.
...........especially if someone comes here to tell us why we're wrong in our thinking??
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seattleniceguy
I personally don't like doctrinal debates. Almost any position can be "proven" scripturally.
For me, logical problems are much more inescapable. They aren't as open to whim and subjectivity. For example, the story of the global deluge was a constant thorn in my brain because it introduces so many intractable problems.
On the other hand, my friend left because he wanted to have a kid, and he began to feel that the JW culture was not the best one to help a child to flourish.
I suppose that it's really a case of different strokes for different folks. People need different things to get them to think. Probably the one constant is that when reasoning with such people, we take a compassionate tone, rather than an angry, sarcastic one. Such a kind tone is what enabled me to read my first-ever "apostate" literature, at beyondjw.com.
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HELP!!!!!!!!!!!
by ChimChim in.
im far away from home, and i cant go home until 2morrow... i'm sad.... btw if i dont check this post in awhile its becuz i am not (of course) at home and i cant check it as much becuz the poeple here wil be like why are you on that site so yeah.. but i wanna go hoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooome.
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seattleniceguy
Hi ChimChim. Sounds like you're having a rough time. I'll think positive thoughts for you and send you my good apostate energy.
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Give Examples of How The Watchtower Implies Things Without Backing It Up
by minimus inmy mother gave me the last few watchtower and awakes when i visited her this week.....in the 1-1-04 watchtower, under the article---"jehovah's word is alive---highlights from the book of genesis---1"-------on page 29, the question is asked:"did jehovah god speak to adam directly?
" notice their answer.
"the bible reveals that when god spoke to humans, it was often through an angel.
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Hey Min,
You know, the thing that always drove me nuts was that the pictures in the WT study were treated like they were the gospel truth. People would actually make comments like, "Well, as we can see in the picture on page 17, Priscilla wore modest clothing." Such baseless coments would always shock me. Kind of gets me riled up even now, since it reminds me of standard Witness "logic."
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No one gets me!
by joannadandy inyes it's true...i am having flashbacks of my angsty teen years where my call to arms was always "you just don't understand me!".
miss eyegirl and i have been spending a lot of time together.
probably too much for the safety of the human race.
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Hey Jo,
I was at a party last night, my first New Year's party, and I happened to tell someone my history in the organization. When I got to the part about having to leave all my friends behind, he said, "Oh, kind of like moving." I stopped for a minute, and I thought, "Yeah, kind of like moving." I really liked that comparison, because it's something normal humans have to do from time to time. Of course, leaving the organization is a bit more severe than just moving to a new place, but in many ways it's true in how you have to start over.
That thought kind of cheered me up. It made the road seem much more doable. I hope your paths are filled with many new friends who get you. Cheers!
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I Am Mine
by Euphemism inwhen the pearl jam single i am mine came out a little over a year ago, i was still a witness.
it's easy to see why the lyrics appealed to me at a time when i was subconsciously trying to free myself from the mind control.. i know that i was born and i know that i?ll die.. the in between is mine.. i am mine.. .... we?re different behind the eyes, there?s no need to hide .
.... the sorrow grows bigger when the sorrow's denied.. i only know my mind.. i am mine.. freedom has been a gradual process.
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seattleniceguy
Congratulations, Dan. I'm happy to know you. And I agree with Blondie's comments: I think your writing and Piph's is a valuable asset to any forum.
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One of my short stories has been published on line.
by JeffT inhas nothing to do with witnesses.
but it is at www.militaryhistoryonline.com it's the only entry under "fiction.
i know military fiction is an odd subject for an ex-dub, but it's always been a big interest, and it's what i'm most interested in writing (i'm 40,000 words into my current project, about half done)..
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seattleniceguy
Wow, congrats, Jeff!
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