today i had an interesting conversation, not with a christian believer but a muslim believer, .
he was trying to recruit me into the faith--so i thought i would pose the question to him about why his god watches as 20,000 believers (muslims) women, children, etc lost thier lives-.
his explanation i thought was straight out of a christian handbook on.
Me, a parent in my greatest of human ignorance, couldn't fathom harming my child in a minor way, let alone the magnitude represented here.
And all because a talking snake told a naked lady to eat a piece of fruit.
(I think I got that line from seven006...it's brilliant)
my mother gave me the last few watchtower and awakes when i visited her this week.....in the 1-1-04 watchtower, under the article---"jehovah's word is alive---highlights from the book of genesis---1"-------on page 29, the question is asked:"did jehovah god speak to adam directly?
" notice their answer.
"the bible reveals that when god spoke to humans, it was often through an angel.
Since I have never been a witness, and since my wife cannot answer the question, perhaps someone here can tell me how JWs get around the piece of scripture that says the 144,000 are virgin males. They conveniently stop short of that verse when prooftexting at the memorial.
my mother gave me the last few watchtower and awakes when i visited her this week.....in the 1-1-04 watchtower, under the article---"jehovah's word is alive---highlights from the book of genesis---1"-------on page 29, the question is asked:"did jehovah god speak to adam directly?
" notice their answer.
"the bible reveals that when god spoke to humans, it was often through an angel.
Re: blood
Isn't there a passage that the witnesses use (not their main one though) for support of their stand on blood that says something like "The blood and the fat are for Jehovah"? I bet there are scores of witnesses out there that love pork dorks (rinds) (chicharron)!
i confronted my bro.
in law on why the co's assistant would accuse me of being on the "bad" internet web sites.
he has admitted telling the co guy because he wants to help me.
I agree with Shamus. Tell them to fuck off and to Shizzle your Nizzle.
i just saw this on witness world web site and had a few laughs.
how many of you were this pathetic when you were a witness?
devon
OMG! This would be pathetic if it weren't so hilarious! Walking into walls of ice! Talking TV stands. Breeding illiterate paranoid nutcases is obviously one of the Society's core competencies.
Can they ward off Happy Belated Christmas Wishes I wonder?!
My oldest son's comment: "What is that, a declaration of celibacy?"
That is teh uber funny...
i was wondering as a jehovah witnesess aloud to have oral sex ?
i cant rember if its a contious thing or ure totally not allowed ?
reply plz :)
Michael,
I will take Euphemism's point a step further and suggest to you that "if you had any expectations of having a normal...relationship with your girlfriend (as a wife), you might have to reconsider that."
My advice, though a hard pill to swallow, is to get out of the relationship. Forget it. Unless she totally rejects EVERYTHING about the WTBTS, the odds are overwhelming that you will ultimately be very unhappy. If she is willing to reject it all, then she will need a loving companion to explore the real world with her. In that case, you could be in for an awesome time as you learn to love life and grow together. If not, I predict that you will grow apart on so many issues that you will not be able to grow together as a couple.
Again, a very hard pill to swallow, but I am very sincere and firmly believe what I have written above.
Good luck.
Misha
is there somewhere a published list of questions (with answers) that one must answer prior to baptism?
i am sick of my wife saying that only certain people believe certain things.
though she has been raised a witness, she has never been baptised.
BBGG,
Dank U. They seem to have changed the meaning several times. My understanding is that the original text referred to the time in which the sentence was spoken. The end was to have occured in the 1st century.
is there somewhere a published list of questions (with answers) that one must answer prior to baptism?
i am sick of my wife saying that only certain people believe certain things.
though she has been raised a witness, she has never been baptised.
Thank you all. Blondie, your link to the PDF was perfect..
The questions from the Accomplish Ministry book are quite interesting?
To Point:
In the Kingdom of God section, question 6 asks How do we know we are in the endtimes,etc.. In the answer, they apparently still use the Matt 22:32-34 generation stuff as support. I thought they abandon that.
In the Christian Law section, question 2 asks whether Christians are under Mosaic law, etc. Col 2:16, 17 are quoted saying ?Let no man judge you in the eating and drinking or in respect of a festival or of an observance of the NEW MOON(!) or of a Sabbath?? etc.
Shouldn?t this negate their stance on blood, celebrations of birthdays, Christmas and the like??? Weird to me.
Having just scanned the questions, I have to say that I am mildly disappointed in that I did not find what I expected. While their choice of questions in some cases is interesting, every answer ?hint? was a quote from scripture.
What I was specifically hoping to find was something on the order of the questions I encountered when reading CoC? questions that Ray Franz RF had to answer regarding the ORGANIZATION, not so much the JW version of the bible story. I?m looking specifically for the watchtower references to the 1914 return, etc?. the stuff that must be believed.
Elsewhere..the quotes you have come up with are brilliant, proving that independent thought is not allowed, which implies that you must believe the "food at the proper time" excrement that is then handed out. I was just hoping more organizational doctrine was included in the baptism questions.
BTW, I have seen on the net that the JWs have baptized ?in the name of the father and of the son and of Jehovah?s spirit led organization.? Can anyone here substantiate that claim? Do they still do that?
Thank you all for the kind welcome and help,
Misha
is there somewhere a published list of questions (with answers) that one must answer prior to baptism?
i am sick of my wife saying that only certain people believe certain things.
though she has been raised a witness, she has never been baptised.
Is there somewhere a published list of questions (with answers) that one must answer prior to baptism? I am sick of my wife saying that only certain people believe certain things. Though she has been raised a witness, she has never been baptised. I am trying to get her to see that you cannot separate the doctrine from the religion. For example, I am trying to tell her that if she is a witness, she must believe the 1914 return of jesus, and his choosing the bible students (whatever), and that the GB talks to jesus, etc. She MUST buy into it. She says that it is not true. She wants the children exposed to God and thinks that she can pick her way through what is right/good/bad etc,. of the watchtower teachings. She thinks the plumber, construction worker careers in lieu of college is a bunch of nonsense, but yet still chooses to believe other stuff. They have done a wonderful job of teaching people how to think, don't you think? In her position, it is wonderful to be able to use the 1975 "some overzealous brothers wanted to believe things that were not true" type of exuse when something doesn't suit her.
My point here is that if anything is wrong, then they cannot be what they claim to be: THE TRUTH. You must believe all of it. If not, then it is only logical that you reject them. I just can't get her to see it. So, I would love to see the list of 100 or 200 or whatever questions that one must answer before being allowed to be baptised. Perhaps that would shed some 'new light'.
Thanks.
