i suggest drugs.....they may not make your arm unstuck, but geez they'll make you forget its stuck, hehe. sorry, i'm not a doc so i don't know how to unstick a stuck shoulder.
dustyb
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It's stuck and i can't get it up
by kls inas some of you know i had rotater surgery on my shoulder in oct. my insurance would only cover a few weeks of therapy.i do many of the excercise's at home but my arm is stuck.it will only go up half way and if i don't get it unstuck my doc.
is going to put me in the hospital and as he said,put me out and crank on it.
i hate hospitals and would appreciate any help or suggestions to unstick it.
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Break through !
by Puternut ini have been df'd for about a year and also been going through a nasty divorce.
my ex has the kids and they're all jw's.
so my ex has been pumping into my childrens heads, that since i am df'd, they are to have no contact with me.
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dustyb
ther'es a good thing about the law. legally the elders can't tell your kids or ex to not talk to you. its your wife's decision to not talk to you, but she can't blame it on religion. there's some sort of a law here where i live that if you aren't an abusing father and you show support and kindness for your kids, you can really just tell your ex to bugger off. it all comes down to they aren't licensed child care providers, or licensed lawgivers or anything like that. don't ya just love the legal system....
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When Did Things "Click" With You About The "Truth"?
by minimus inmy wife asked me that question yesterday and i really didn't know how to answer that.
for quite a while i knew this religion was getting more bogus by the minute but i'm not sure what defined "it" for me.
do you remember what got you to know that this was simply not the "truth"?
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dustyb
there was a lot of thigns that did it for me. and the sad part is that they all happened when i returned to meetings after my 2 year break. the first thing that did it for me was how the elders judged my girlfriend about what we did in our personal lifes and what they did to her (take away her priviledges, nothign big). but what pissed me off about it was the way they judged. the told her that we should have just have had sex and got it over with (we haven't). Then her mom and step-dad are hypocrites that drive me insane. anything i do good for my girlfriend they turn into bad and report it to the elders. (they report anythign to the elders). then everyone being rude and not showing or caring is ridiculous.
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Kids and meetings
by Stefanie ini remember when they would discourage kids from taking colors or coloring books to the meetings.
so i thought ok, i will give my kid a pen and my book of bible stories to keep him busy.
then they said that was a bad idea because he might write on the furniture and it wasnt good to teach them to write on the wbt publications.
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dustyb
when me and my friend was little and went to meetings (like 5 and 6 years old) we used to always either sleep or just try to draw. i remember that we'd always get one of those liquid ink pens and color a whole piece of paper and waste all of the ink. my friends mom always got mad =D but what i hated was when our moms would pinch our necks or something from falling asleep. i'm sorry ma, but it is harder than hell to stay awake through a session of BS.
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How many are in the average hall now?
by pc ini always thought around 125 or so.
i just asked my brother how many are in his hall and he said about 80. i thought that sounded very low.
anyone have any info?
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dustyb
on a sunday we have about 120-130. thursdays we have maybe 50...maybe
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To all you lurkers !
by Puternut into all you lurkers and active witnesses!
please stop sending me messages and private posts, in order to resque me from the 'devil'.
questions like: "but you have been an elder and should know better".
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dustyb
i'm w/ u puternut. it drives me insane when people try to tell me that i'm doing the wrong thing, and they tell me that i should do it their way (in this case, go back). this one guy at my KH is doing that all the time and it is ridiculous that no Witness will look into their own organization and see all the corruptness. hell, when they were selected as "God's mouthpiece" in 1919, witnesses don't realize that there was so much corruption then that Jesus himself would have put a gun to his head with the decision he made......
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Beer survey
by dustyb inwhat brand of suds does everyone drink here?
i personally enjoy good ole' bud light.
but if i have to be cheap i do sacrifice taste for quanity and buy keystone ice (ack).
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dustyb
what brand of suds does everyone drink here? i personally enjoy good ole' bud light. but if i have to be cheap i do sacrifice taste for quanity and buy keystone ice (ack).
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the seven times of Daniel chapter 4
by dustyb inin the model nebuchadnezzar was the definite direct object in the account.
that definite object took the simple action of being cut down from the subject, god.
thus the larger or antitypical fulfillment describes how god cut down satan's rule over the earth until seven times passed over him.
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dustyb
Ok, i was reading a website the other day about Daniel 4 (the seven times prophecy), and i just want to get the opinion of others here. Because obviously the JW "seven times" is extremely flawed, and i just wanted to see how this sounded to you guys.
Daniel 4
This chapter describes Nebuchadnezzar's dream of the big tree, which grew great and reached unto heaven and was visible to the end of all the earth. The tree was cut down and banded until seven times passed over it. Verse 22 explains that the tree represents Nebuchadnezzar, who was ruling over the earth. Verses 24 through 26 describe the interpretation of the dream by saying that Nebuchadnezzar would be cut down until seven times had passed over him and then his kingdom would be returned to him. The rest of the chapter describes the fulfillment of the prophecy when it came upon Nebuchadnezzar. This information provides us with a model or typical prophecy.
The Model
In the model Nebuchadnezzar was the definite direct object in the account. That definite object took the simple action of being cut down from the subject, God. Thus, God cut down Nebuchadnezzar for a period of seven times. Note that the model describes a specific subject, a definite direct object, and simple action. This prophecy also has a larger fulfillment.
The Larger Fulfillment
It is not uncommon for the scriptures to use earthly kings in describing the activities of Satan the devil: the 28th chapter of Ezekiel provides a very good example. Here in Daniel 4 Nebuchadnezzar represents Satan in the larger application. And since there is no one greater than God, he remains God in the greater application of this account. Thus the larger or antitypical fulfillment describes how God cut down Satan's rule over the earth until seven times passed over him. The larger fulfillment of this prophecy and the larger period of seven times (2520 years) both fit the events described in the previous studies. So in the fulfillment of the larger model we find that Satan had rule over the earth until God interposed in 2492 BCE. Satan's rule was cut down for 2520 years until 29 CE when his kingdom was returned to him. This is the meaning of the antitypical fulfillment of Daniel chapter 4. The seven times applies to the time period from 2492 BCE to 29 CE.
No Model in Scripture Points to 1914
There is nothing in the Bible that provides a model for applying a period of seven times to the years 607 BCE to 1914 CE. The Witnesses, nevertheless, have made up a model of their own, but it does not match the model in Daniel 4. They say that God cut down his own rule in 607 BCE and started it again in 1914 CE. In their model God (subject) cut down his own rule (reflexive action). The model the Witnesses use does not have a definite direct object. The state of the action is different in their model. They use reflexive action in their model. In the model in Daniel 4 God (subject) cut down (simple action) Nebuchadnezzar (definite object) for seven times. The model in Daniel 4 has a definite direct object. In Daniel 4 the object takes the action from the subject. The model in Daniel 4 uses simple action. Applying a period of seven times to 607 - 1914 does not match the model in Daniel 4. The Witnesses have made up their own unscriptural model, which they base on Luke 21:24 because that scripture uses the word times or seasons. They are using a different period of seven times and claiming that that period applies to the antitypical model in Daniel 4. But their model does not match the model in Daniel 4. The times or seasons mentioned in Luke 21:24 applies to the years from 67 CE to 70 CE when Jerusalem was tread upon by the nations and destroyed. They stretch that brief period of 3 and 1/2 years into a model that extends form 607 BCE until 1914 CE!
T he Stretch
In Luke 21, Matthew 24, and Mark 13 Jesus was describing the events that were coming upon Jerusalem within one generation. This was the coming of the Son of man for the destruction of Jerusalem. The Witnesses extend this account into the 20th century by claiming that it fits into their model. They use this same stretching technique when they identify the kings of the North and South in Daniel 11. The stretch is also applied to Daniel 7 and 12. The stretch is again applied to the prophecies in Revelation. They claim that Revelation was written after the destruction of Jerusalem in 96 CE, but the facts show that it was written before the destruction in 64 CE. Many of the prophecies in Revelation apply to the destruction of Jerusalem and that of the city of Rome. By claiming that the Revelation was written after the fall of Jerusalem they wrongly apply the fulfillment of many prophecies to the early 20th century.
With all this stretching the Witnesses have changed the meaning of the fulfillment of many Bible prophesies to suite their own purposes. When the time frame of Bible prophecy is shifted in this manner the result is such that the true objects of the prophecies in question are ignored and false objects are selected in their place. In their manipulation of prophecy the Witnesses often leave the state of the action the same, but they change the identities of the objects so that they take on different identities. All this is the result of applying a period of 2520 years to the wrong time frame. Consequently, their errors have produced many extraneous results, which have resulted in many unscriptural doctrines and raised serious theological problems for their members.
The End Result of the Stretch
The end result of the stretch is that the Witnesses claim there is a remnant of the 144,000 on earth today. Those of the leadership of the society claim to be of this special remaining "priestly" class. By claiming this "special status" they have secured for themselves a rather large following. There is, however, no scriptural reason to assume that there is any remnant of the 144,000 alive in the flesh today, and neither has there been anyone from that class alive on earth for at least the last 19 centuries! The remaining studies will demonstrate the truthfulness of the foregoing statements.
(written by http://members.aol.com/gparrishjr/d4.html)
some of it i found interesting, but it boggles my mind just as much as the JW version. Your thoughts?
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dustyb
i like playing poker and such. it doesn't bother me none to lose 100 bucks now and then, and it sure doesn't bother me winning a few hundred now and then. life is gambling in a sense, so wat da hell, i'll be generous and take a chance or two...
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Demons
by finnrot inwhen i was a kid i was scared shitless of demons.
a couple of years ago i posted this subject, and some asswipes just suggested that i was just a scared little boy and that i should have just kept a stiff upper lip.. i was raised in this crappy religion and i recall that from the very beginning, i was told that demons were always around me.
i remember as a young child, i was told of stories of children that would go to bed and feel the edge of their bed go down slowly as a demon sat on the edge of the bed, ready to do whatever eveil they had planned for the evening.
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dustyb
lol, an elder the other day tried to tell me that there were 6-10 demons for every witness. and the demons tried to make the witness weak and fall. I immediately called a bullshit, heh. but it is scary of the thought of witnesses scaring the shit outta people into submission with this nonsense (even tho its not nonsense when you are a JW). the witnesses make it very real unfortunately....