Nocturne

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  Active Jehovah's Witnesses - - - PLEASE READ

  by nicolaou in

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  an open letter to all jehovah's witnesses.

  dear friend, .

  what caused you to come and read the posts of so many of your former brothers and sisters who have either been disfellowshipped or have chosen to walk away from the society and the 'truth'?

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  Nocturne

  That's a wonderful post Nic. I hope it encourages more to come out openly and start posting on the forum.
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  Circuit Assembly Report and other observations

  by truthseeker in

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  hi, it's been a while since i posted.. circuit assembly program 2003-2004.

  theme: rejoice in the hope.

  endure under tribulation - romans 12:12. nothing special about this circuit assembly this time round, in fact, it was very boring.

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  Nocturne

  A few years ago at the DA, I remember that on the first day, they didn't even have the actual people coming up for experiences, or even re-enactments. All they did is have an elder tell experiences from they're own congregations.
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  The 2034 Test : Questions and Answes

  by Nadsam in

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  http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/10/61661/10.ashx.

  a very, very, very, very concerned jw called me this morning !!

  (my mom of course).

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  Nocturne

  I agree with dusty here. In fact, I would say that very few even believe that wts has predicted 2034 to be when Armagueddon comes. I haven't heard a single thing about the Noah/120 years/1914+120 = 2034 link from anyone. It's too early to determine if the org. is in fact attempting to make predictions, and by saying that they are pushing 2034 to be the date, we are playing into the wts' hands by spreading misinformation (feb 15 WT anyone?). If you want to prove the wts as false prophets, just look at 1975, 1914, 1874 or any other dates where it's clear they've attempted to predict something, and were proven wrong. Personnally, more articles, or parts from the wts making that link would convince me. Only time will tell.
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  WT Library Software

  by Hunyadi in

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  yesterday, i installed the 2001 watchtower library software on my pc.

  suddenly i was not able to view any and all "apostate" sites i had just been to seconds earlier before installing the software, including this forum.

  having a gut feeling, i uninstalled the wt library software, and presto!

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  Nocturne

  I have it on my computer, and I don't have any problems visiting this site or others. However, the first time I tried installing it, it crashed my computer
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  Congregation is building a new KH

  by dustyb in

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  up front at the weekly tcs meeting they are commenting about how much money they've rose for the new kingdom hall.

  but i was thinking about how they get all the money, and if i understand it correctly, they raise money and sell the old kh property and give all that money back to the society.

  then from there, the society gives out a loan w/ like a 3% interest rate, and on top of that, takes the title to the kh and puts the kh in their names.

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  Nocturne

  I'm just wondering, what is the wts' excuse for this "theocratic arrangement"? Also, to make things worse, I seem to remember (i was really young when this happened at my old hall) that once a congregation finishes paying the loan from the society, they take out another loan and the congregation has to keep paying to the society. Am I right on this?
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  NGO For The Advancement of The Truth In Certain Countries?

  by Doubtfully Yours in

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  since the wtbts isn't readily accepted in certain countries or territories, i wonder if this is one of the reasons they joined the un.

  you know, to negotiate their acceptance or perhaps to promote stopping persecution in certain countries.. your thoughts please.. dy

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  Nocturne

  Someone please correct me if I am wrong, however - I believe that the European Court of Human Rights is an arm of the UN itself.

  growedup

  I just checked it out. It's not part of the UN, on one of the websites, the link to the European Court of Human Rights is listed under 'Additional Resources' and there is a little disclamer stating that the webpages listed "do not necessarily represent an endorsement by the United Nations. " However, one would think that if they were affiliated with DPI of the UN, they could use that as an argument to get officially recognized by the European Court of Human Rights as a known religion.
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  NGO For The Advancement of The Truth In Certain Countries?

  by Doubtfully Yours in

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  since the wtbts isn't readily accepted in certain countries or territories, i wonder if this is one of the reasons they joined the un.

  you know, to negotiate their acceptance or perhaps to promote stopping persecution in certain countries.. your thoughts please.. dy

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  Nocturne

  They were embroiled in a number of legal battles in Europe and Africa that questioned the ethical and legal stand of the WT in issues of blood, family welfare and military. Having the recognition of the world's largest humantarian and human rights organization must have helped immensely.

  I'm wondering. I was reading on jw-media.org website about some of the legal battles the wtbts have in Russia, and in their rebuttal to the expert's conclusion that the Jehovah's Witnesses are a totalitarian sect, they state that the government cannot impose any restrictions on the beliefs of the Jehovah's Witnesses because they are recognized by the European Court of Human Rights as a known religion. They say that the Russian constitution ratified in 1993 which 'guarantees to all religious associations equal treatment before the law', and that ever since the constitution was ratified, Russia also reregistered the Jehovah's Witnesses as a religion.

  Now I'm wondering, would the wts being registered with DPI as an NGO have any influence on the European Court of Human Rights to declare them as a 'known religion'? I mean, wasn't the wtbts registered as an NGO with its focal point on Human Rights?

  Nocturne
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  Just told a dub about the UN letter; the blind just won't see

  by acsot in

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  i just told a dub here at work about the letter.

  when the dub told me i was on my way out of watchtower-land anyhow, but the blatant hypocrisy just floored me.

  okay, so here's how the conversation went:

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  Nocturne

  I agree with Doodle-v on this one. The UN thing was the issue that made me realize that something just wasn't right with the organization. However, in the past there were many issues that had been brought to my attention (for example 1975, the child abuse coverups), but they didn't really affect me that much, but those things still remained with me, and once I found out about the UN/NGO affair, something just clicked inside my head, and I started seriously searching for answers.

  Nocturne.
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  Eine Kleine Nacht Music

  by Farkel in

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  i've finally started recording tracks on the rachmaninoff rhapsody on a theme by paganini.

  i''m posting this little snippet to give those of you who care about what it takes to tackle a project like this.

  my big project last year was the "danse macabre.

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  Nocturne

  This is great stuff Farkel! How long have you been playing for, and what other challenging projects have you tackled? I'm always looking for new stuff, but I don't get to practice that much anymore because I'm so busy with school. I can't wait till I graduate, then I'll be able to get more involved into it.
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  Visit From Elders

  by laurelin in

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  it's been awhile since i've been on here.

  due to death in the family, chicken pox in children and other nasty things.. i posted here awhile ago about things i had found the unsettled me.

  i was due to have a visit from two elders and a lot of you gave me lots of help and encouragement.. well, the two elders visited and i have to admit that it was nothing like i expected.. they sat down, and told me straight away that there was nothing i could say or ask that would hurt me.

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  Nocturne

  From the looks of it, sounds like your elders are pretty understanding and liberal, like many others here have said. Now, you said:

  I also asked about everyone dying that wasn't a baptised witness or their children and they both said that they didn't believe that. One of them quoted the scripture that states "A great crowd of people no man will be able to number" and said that if it were just witnesses then it would be a number easily counted. I said how I find it hard to accept that a person who has spent their entire lives helping other people (eg Red Cross workers in other countries) and sees things that make them doubt God exsists or cares would be killed at Armeggedon just because they failed to listen to the Witnesses.

  And he agreed and said that Jehovah knows everyone's heart and will judge on that alone. I replied that the brother at our group study the other week stated catagorically that everyone who has been witnesssed to and rejects it will die

  The elder at your book study might have gotten the idea from this:

  *** You Can live Forever (1982, 1990) p.255 ***

  Do not conclude that there are different roads, or ways, that you can follow to gain life in God's new system. There is only one. There was just one ark that survived the Flood, not a number of boats. And there will be only one organization ? God's visible organization ? that will survive the fast-approaching "great tribulation." It is simply not true that all religions lead to the same goal? You must be part of Jehovah's organization, doing God's will, in order to receive his blessing of everlasting life?

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  *** Watchtower 1981 December 1 p.27 The Path of the Righteous Does Keep Getting Brighter ***

  Jehovah God has also provided his visible organization, his "faithful and discreet slave," made up of spirit-anointed ones ? Unless we are in touch with this channel of communication that God is using, we will not progress along the road to life, no matter how much Bible reading we do.

  So here you go, it's clearly stated here that you must be part of God's Organization to be saved at Armeggedon. Interesting enough, one of the things my mom said to pressure me into getting baptized is that if you're old enough to make decisions, and that if you don't take position for God's kingdom, and get baptized, I would be destroyed if Armaguedon. Now she must have gotten that idea somewhere wouldn't she? Anyways, they flip flop so much it's hard to keep up. For example:

  *** Official Jehovah's Witnesses Media Relations Web Site***

  http://www.jw-media.org/beliefs/beliefsfaq.htm

  Collected on March 18, 2001

  Do you believe that you are the only ones who will be saved?

  No. Many millions who have lived in centuries past and who were not Jehovah's Witnesses will come back in a resurrection and have an opportunity for life. Many now living may yet take a stand for truth and righteousness before God's time of judgment, and they will gain salvation. Moreover, Jesus said that we should not be judging one another. Humans look at the outward appearance; God looks at the heart. He sees accurately and judges mercifully. God has committed judgment into Jesus' hands, not ours. ?Matthew 7:1-5; John 5:22, 27.

  Of course, this is a public relations website, and it wouldn't be good business if they said straight out that anyone not a JW will die at Armagueddon. Btw, I don't know if I missed it in your post, but what did they elders say about the UN/NGO thing?

  Nocturne.