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  YESTERDAY'S ASSEMBLY SUCKED........

  by Mary in

  1. jw
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  well, i got dragged, kicking and screaming talked in to going to the assembly yesterday as a friend of mine was in the drama.

  what a freaking waste of time interesting experience.

  first of all, i had a tough time squeezing my larger than life ass bum into a seat that looked like it was made for a house-elf small child.

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  I remember a sister that was counseled because she had a painting(done by a worldy person) of Jesus in her house. "Form of Idolatry"

  Yes only worldly christians care about Jesus.
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  2004 District Convention Spoof Seekers

  by ezekiel3 in

  1. jw
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  because of slumping and catatonic attendance, jws have unveiled a new convention program to attract and entertain their 6 million devotees.

  this summer's program will be held in themeparks, and unveil the ride borg assilimator (seen below).

  here in north carolina, usa a day-pass will get you a normal 3-day program "download" via subliminal messages while you enjoy the thrills of the roller-coaster.

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  LOLOL, keep it coming.

  And pushchairs are allowed, and a creche/playcentre for the littlies while mums can get pampered at a salon with massage.
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  New World Translation: ignored once again!

  by Quotes in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  while researching a reply to another thread, i discovered "the unbound bible": http://unbound.biola.edu/.

  it allows you to search for a bible passage in several different translations, from king james to douay to original language hebrew and greek.

  i am shocked, shocked i tell you, that the new world tranlation is not one of the options!

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  Thanks for the suggestions, I must get round to buying a NASB or a NIV one of these days.

  I'm wondering now what the story of Susanna is all about. Can someone please enlighten me?
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  JWs--cult or am i just bitter?

  by sinamongurl in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  after reading many experiences and comments on the board, i have begun to have questions.

  questions that i really didnt know i until i read them.

  as a recently df'd person, i am still struggling with whether jws are really a cult or is it just that im bitter for being torn away from the only thing that i knew, where i had friends that i thought loved me.

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  Sinamongirl - my best wishes and love to you on your journey. Good on you.

  Trumangirl.
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  Do you make active witnesses uncomfortable?

  by pratt1 in

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  2. friends

  this weekend my wife and i visited with another couple, who although they are inactive, they also invited active witinesses to the their home along with us.

  we knew most of the people there and they are aware that we are inactive - no big deal.

  however there was one brother who did not know that were are inactive.

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  "It's all conditional. Go to meetings and go in service, you're a friend and buddy. Become inactive but not in any kind of trouble, you're bad association."

  - yes that's so true. I supported a couple who were snobbed somewhat after one of them was put on public reproof. One of them stopped going to the local KH because she didn't like that particularly congregation. So then I start telling them about my doubts, (this is while I was fading), and suddenly they start making excuses for why they can't come to dinner when I invite them (twice). Very strange. I chat to one of them on the phone and start to criticise the GB, and you know what he says:

  "This conversation is making me feel uncomfortable". Oh, OK I reply. We can change the subject. Very chilling.
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  YESTERDAY'S ASSEMBLY SUCKED........

  by Mary in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  well, i got dragged, kicking and screaming talked in to going to the assembly yesterday as a friend of mine was in the drama.

  what a freaking waste of time interesting experience.

  first of all, i had a tough time squeezing my larger than life ass bum into a seat that looked like it was made for a house-elf small child.

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  What are the "wholesome things that are good reminders"?
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  Need Help (Refuting JW Doctrines)

  by alaskagirl in

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  2. friends

  okay, i'm writing a letter to my brother explaining why i no longer believe the wtbts is god's earthly channel (since he asked).

  so i want to mention all the contradictory, scandalous, evil doctrines they teach or once taught.

  however, i need to have documented proof of them from "non-apostate" sources.

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  I would be careful not to lay into the org to soon and too heavy, unless your brother is receptive to this.

  Instead, try concentrating on the unfulfilled prophecy doctrines, particularly 1914. Most JWs who have doubts will find it easier to talk about prophecies as they know that the Society has stuffed up on these. Refer him to the LF book of the young man turning into an old one and how the WT taught that armageddon would come in the 1914 generation. Ewatchman has some good scriptural reasonings about 1914 in his essay on the subject. Also the book about the Last days by Carl Olof Johnson is great for showing that the 'signs of the last days' don't stack up with the historical evidence.

  Here is some excerpts of my letter to a JW friend, (which i haven't received a reply from yet, probably won't either). You have my permission to cut and paste bits that you may want to use and make them your own!

  Good luck!

  (Can't seem to switch the underline off here:)

  I want to explain some more why I no longer accept that God?s kingdom started in 1914. There are lots of way to show this, even without considering chronology. The Society says we should concentrate on the ?composite sign? of Christ?s presence, so I will deal mostly with this.

  You will no doubt be aware that the world population has rapidly climbed in the 20 th century. What is the reason for this? Historical researches say it is because the rate of mortality is less now than in past generations. It is a proven fact that more people died from famine and pestilence before the 20 th century. For instance, the last great famine in

  Regarding pestilence, the Reasoning book mentions the Spanish flu. However, this was nowhere near as bad as the Black Death in the 1300s and other plagues. Modern medicine, immunisation and other public health measures have drastically reduced epidemics in the 20 th century. The Reasoning book mentions other diseases which were just as bad (even worse) before 1914, such as malaria. As for heart disease and cancer, the reason these illnesses (note they are not even ?pestilences?) have increased is because they are mainly old people?s diseases, and people are living longer now.

  The Society places enormous emphasis on the First World War, saying it was a ?turning point in history? etc, but this is only if one considers it from the perspective of the generation who were living at that time. The Napoleonic wars and the civil war are but two examples of equally widespread wars that were a ?turning point? too. Some historians say the French revolution was the greatest turning point in modern history. Moreover, since the end of WWII the world has experienced a period of greater overall peace than at any other time in history. There hasn?t been a war in since then, whereas in centuries past, has gone through decades-long periods of almost constant war.

  The truth is there has not been an outstanding increase in the number of wars, famines, pestilence or earthquakes. These things have occurred regularly down through the centuries. I have come to the conclusion that in mentioning these things in his sermon on the Mount of Olives, Jesus was describing the general state of history from 33CE that his disciples would have to endure, all the wars, famines, pestilences and earthquakes, just as there always has been, until his eventual return in kingdom power. He is not linking an escalation of those things to some mysterious year 1900 years in the future. Jesus began with the words ?Look out that nobody misleads you?. Verses 4-8 of Matt 24 are inter-connected. Compare Mark 13:5-8 and Luke 21:8-11. In verse 11, Luke includes ?fearful sights and from heaven great signs?. In ancient times, solar eclipses and comets were viewed as religious signs and portents, as were earthquakes and other disasters. Jesus was trying to tell his disciples not to be fooled by such proclamations.

  Jesus always presents the kingdom as being something that would happen suddenly, without prior notice, and manifest to everyone (like sheet lightening) without that person having to know about historical patterns of disasters or speculations about Bible chronology.

  Please read Matt 24:43-47. The Society?s interpretation is that verses 43 and 44 apply to the future at Armageddon, but verses 45 and 47 have already happened back in 1918/1919. Then for verses 48-51, it reverts back to the future! It is just illogical. Surely the whole passage is referring to the future.

  How many thrones does Jesus sit on? How many times does he arrive in great glory? We are taught that he does this twice, ie, a throne in 1914 to be followed by a separate ?judgment throne? in the future during the great tribulation. However when we examine Jesus own words about his arriving in glory and sitting on a throne, he only describes one throne in Matt 25: 31-33. Compare this passage with Matt 24: 29-31. There Jesus is in very similar language described as coming on the clouds of heaven with ?power and great glory?, sending forth ?his angels?. Jesus is obviously describing the same event in both passages.

  The 1914 dogma has led to all manner of inconsistent, retrospective interpretations of prophecy, such as the ones that equate various prophecies in Daniel and Revelation to events in the 1910s/1920s that have no historical significance. Do you really believe that announcements at JW conventions, or a minor change in the organisation?s structure, are fulfillments of Bible prophecy? (for instance see page 173 of Revelation book which equates the seven trumpet blasts to conventions).

  I hope this letter makes sense to you. I am aware that a recent Watchtower study article has warned against listening to ?apostate reasonings?, but it is strange that ?reasonings? are put on the same level as pornography and other forms of entertainment that appeal to the flesh. Even in the world, many people accept that pornography can be damaging. But what is it about ?reasonings? that we should be afraid of? Honest, meaningful reasonings are a good thing. One listens to a ?reasoning?, thinks about it critically, reasons on it without bias, and either accepts or rejects it on the basis of logic and the evidence presented. What is so bad about that?
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  Happy 1st Day of Summer!

  by notperfectyet in

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  yay!.

  and the longest day, does that mean it has 25 hours in it?.

  let's all play hookey and go to the beach, we don't need no stinking monday work!.

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  Today is the shortest day of the year in NZ. It's cold and damp in Wellington. I hope next summer is better than the shitty one we had in 2004!

  - Wgtn kills brollies.
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  New World Translation: ignored once again!

  by Quotes in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  while researching a reply to another thread, i discovered "the unbound bible": http://unbound.biola.edu/.

  it allows you to search for a bible passage in several different translations, from king james to douay to original language hebrew and greek.

  i am shocked, shocked i tell you, that the new world tranlation is not one of the options!

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  I'm sure I've seen Byingtons quoted in some JW publications, tho I can't remember where.

  By the way, what is the recommended translation, for an ex JW to read, (occasionally I feel like reading the bible but don't want to read the NWT). Besides Byingtons, which I have, what is the best modern-language english bible?
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  How do most of you....

  by TallTexan in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  handle being called on by jw's in service?

  do you try to 'show them the light' or just be polite, or even angry?

  also, i heard it rumored once that the local cong's kept a file on all 'apostates' in their territory and wouldn't let the publishers call on them for fear of them being 'turned'.

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  Yeh Megadude, I like your attitude.

  I'm newly faded and I know all the JWs in my territory, so I will be friendly and maybe offer a drink and get the mags (to check on new light). If they invite me to a meeting I just smile and nod non-comittingly. I don't think I'm suspected of apostacy, just materialism and being too busy. If a JW asks me a direct question I will speak out. One day I hope to be like Megadude !