I heard it had something to do with his affiliation with the Mason's, but don't know that for a fact, though it is mightly suspicious...The Davinci Code is a good book out right now--a religious historical novel--very interesting--explains some of the Mason stuff in there--seems like there could be a connection...
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Russell's reason for using the Winged Sun Symbol?
by VM44 indoes anyone know why charles rusell put the "winged egyptian sun disc" symbol on the covers of his studies in the scriptures?.
particularly, did russell ever explain in writing the reason for his using it?.
this is a good article, but does not indicate if russell wrote anything in print specifically about the symbol's use on the book covers.. http://www.premier1.net/~raines/disc.html
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Hours on the Doors
by Spotlight ini wonder if people here could help me understand something (particularly ex or current jws).
i have heard that jws are required to do at least 10 hours minimum on the doors to be considered "active".
although there do not seem to be any written statements in wt literature, to this effect, it does seem to be something expected (almost like a talmudic oral law!
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It was always annouced how much time the average publisher in your territory puts in. It is usually around 9-10 hours in the states. I hardly ever put in the average so was always considered a "low hour publisher." (It was a "shameful" thing. I was a witness for several years when they instituted the "pioneer assist program" to help "low hour publishers." I was approached by an elder who recommended that I participate in this program in order to get my hours up. I complied and spent a month (well actually just a day a week) with a pioneer sister in the congregation. She shared a couple of printouts with me from the KM--otherwise it was the same old same old....
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Are jws really out to save you?
by kls injws go door to door with their book bags and bibles and try to spread their doomday tactics to as many as possible, but are they really trying to save you or are they pressured to recruit to save themselves.it reminds me of someone selling encyclopedias at doors ,if people don't buy you don't get paid.i remember irritating people at their homes trying to get them to listen to me about the end comming and thinking only of recruiting to save myself.at that time i don't think i was actually thinking of myself but looking back on it that is what it was.jws are actually in it for them selves to save their own butts.it is a devotion of self love ,to themselves and the watchtower.
so how did you feel ?
were you actually out to save a stranger or yourself?
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I preached out of habit, fear, peer pressure and to put my time in --I did though feel like I was supposed to be doing what I was doing, though I wasn't ever enjoying doing it .I always felt guilty because I didn't have the right motives in being out there (we were told we preached because we loved God and people--I just didn't feel it). The territory I was in was not receptive at all, nobody was at home and when they were they didn't want any. It was cold and wet and depressing and I wore ugly wool skirts with bulky legwarmers to keep warm.
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What are you doing this Sunday if not going to the kingdom hall?????????
by BLISSISIGNORANCE ini went out with girl-friends last night so i slept in this morning.
had breakfast with hubby as the kids are out and about, and read the paper.. i will potter around home a bit and tidy up, then hubby and i will go to do a bit of shopping and throw some wts cardboard cases into the recycling depot.. later on this afternoon we are meeting some friends down at the lake to watch an open air screening of tropfest which is a competition to find the best short film, made by unknown film makers in australia.
some music, wine and fine food...........should be great.. then home to get ready for the next week of work........... and not one second regretting my choices!.
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been sitting out in the sun petting the cat. She has taught me many lessons since I left my JW experience. We have a little ritual now each morning. I go out and sit on the front steps and she sits by me and purrs and we just sit there. No talking, no expectations--just enjoying the sun together--BE HERE NOW--NOW BE HERE--(a lesson from the cat)
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Fate?
by darkuncle29 indo you believe in fate?
how have you reconciled that with freedom of choice?.
i do not believe in fate in an absolute, linear sense.. i do believe that there is purpose to all things.
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Well, since I am rather new around here and don't want anybody to get the wrong idea....So to clarify, I don't really believe in the whole fate thing nor do I believe in toothbrush vortexes. When I was a JW I was always very confused by the fact that we were out searching for people with the right heart condition, so it seemed to me that these ones were already predestined with the right heart condition--like it was born in them already, so then why did we have to look for them if God already knows who they are? While the WT said they didn't believe in the whole fate thing--what was this all about? This past year when and elder and a circuit overseer tried to "encourage me." (Nice job boys, I felt like throwing myself off a cliff after that little talk.) One of the "nicer" things they said to me was that I had been shaken out of the nations--in other words I was one of the few privleged ones who had been chosen from the whole of humankind. So, if this is the case as with so many others, why was I then tossed away after 20 years of faithful service? Does God at one time recognize we have a good heart and that we are predestined to serve him and then later decide we have a bad heart conditon? As usual you toss a little logic and reason into the formula and the whole WT doctrine makes no sense at all.
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Fate?
by darkuncle29 indo you believe in fate?
how have you reconciled that with freedom of choice?.
i do not believe in fate in an absolute, linear sense.. i do believe that there is purpose to all things.
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The whole problem with you peacefulP is that you just make too much sense plus you are so logical and scientific, which means you don't have enough faith to believe in my truthbrushes, or was that fate and toothbrushes? Wait a minute I am gettting confused here so that means I must be right and you must be wrong!
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So sorry everyone for all you have been through. There is some pretty emotional stuff here.(((((GROUP HUG))))) time.
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Since I haven't been out that long I am still processing a lot of anger--feeling ripped off, lied to, cheated out of time and health and money and life. BUT at least I'm out now and have a lot of support from family and non-jw friends and places like this to turn to. Kind of a roller coaster of emotions to go through, but from what I read it gets better after time if you use the proper tools to help yourself. But yes, quite honestly I am still at times in the angry stage and would like to shout in the streets how wicked and damaging the whole WT thing is, but I will contain myself from being overly zealous and causing further damage to myself and others.
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Fate?
by darkuncle29 indo you believe in fate?
how have you reconciled that with freedom of choice?.
i do not believe in fate in an absolute, linear sense.. i do believe that there is purpose to all things.
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Well, there is still think there is a possibility it was a "brush" with fate--after all anything is possible, right?. (My friend had purchased his brush in Europe years before and it was right after he told me about it that I experienced 2 unrelated brushes with the brushes.) Heck no it probably wasn't fate, but most likely a wormhole or toothbrush vortex we fell into that week.
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An elder called me!!!!!!
by Mulan inyesterday afternoon, one of the local elders called me.
he said he wanted hear my assessment of how my mom is doing, since she moved to assisted living, and if there was anything he could do.
he was very nice, charming actually, and i had a couple of suggestions and he said he would get right on it.. then he told me about the upcoming co visit the end of april and then the date for the memorial.
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I read you post with interest as this will be the first year I do not attend the memorial and I know I will get the elder call here soon. I haven't been to a meeting since the spring and before that it was just a couple over several months. I am most definitely out, inactive, on the fade, but still know it will be a shock to many when I don't attend (and I am beginning to care less and less about that). I have come a long way in the past few months. Just a few months ago I was sweating thinking about the memorial--still feeling I had to attend for some strange reason ,even though the thought of going into the KH was making me ill. I hadn't done any real heavy research into the WT till then, but now I know for absolutely sure...I will NEVER set foot into that depressing mind numbing abusive void again (still going through a bit of anger). Anyway, got any suggestions as to what I should tell Mr. Elder when he calls?. I am presently using the "I don't want to talk about it" script until I get my wits about me. I'm still very new at this and processing through a lot of garbage.