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  THE MERRY CHRISTMAS & HAPPY NEW YEAR THREAD!

  by Dansk in

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  please post your christmas and new year messages here so that we can keep them altogether:

  merry christmas & a happy new year to everyone on jwd!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  ian, claire, karl & dominic

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  anglise

  
  Where ever you are and whatever you call Dec 25th

  
  

  HAVE A BRILL TIME

  Anglise
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  THE NEWS IS BIGGER THAN DATELINE, BBC, CBC, ETC.

  by AndersonsInfo in

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  if i told you that something bigger is on the horizon than dateline, bbc, cbc, sunday (australia), and all other tv programs which exposed the sexual child abuse cover-up by watchtower in 2002-2003, would you believe me?

  have i ever misled you?

  i'll answer that--no!

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  anglise

  Hi everyone

  Been keeping up with this thread since it's inception. Hope the "Big News" is out before xmas. Could be the best pressie ever, even if the full impact does take time to mature.

  We are looking forward to whatever part we can play in "getting the good news preached" LOL.

  Thankyou to all involved.

  Anglise
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  How many left the JW cult after.....

  by AK - Jeff in

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  the age of 40?.

  seems like a lot have left after 1/2 or 2/3 of a lifetime.

  what accounts for that in your mind, if you left in later middle years or older?.

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  anglise

  Hi Jeff

  what a good thread this is.

  Self and other half left in our mid 40's after nearly 20 years.

  With more information and hindsight you do feel very stupid for believing for all that time.

  Try explaining to someone who isnt religious how you really thought you could live forever!!

  Hope this thread helps any who are lurking on the edge.

  Anglise
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  Anniversary of sorts today, 6 years since I left

  by dedpoet in

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  yes, it is 6 years today since i entered a kingdom hall for the very last time, and with each passing year this particular "anniversary" gets happier.

  even better this time, i have so many people to share it with who have had the same kind of jw experiences as me, in the past the friends i have made since leaving the lie kind of acknowledged it, but didn't really understand, so i just want you all to share in my joy today.

  dedpoet

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  anglise

  Congrats on getting out and staying out Dedpoet,

  Anglise
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  Fantastic end to police chase

  by freedom96 in

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  i couldn't help but smile at the news last night.

  here in san diego, 3 guys are being chased by the police while driving their stolen car.

  the fog gets quite thick, so the police stop the chase, but then realize that the car they were chasing pulled over.

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  anglise

  Similar thing happened near us recently.

  http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/4432812.stm

  The ones I feel sorry for are those left behind who loved them.

  Parents arent always to blame.

  The name "joy riding" is a misnomer and maybe doesnt help youngsters see the possible consequences of their actions.

  Anglise
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  Can anyone tell me about the UN

  by PoppyR in

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  i'm so sorry that i'm sure everytime somone new joins you're going over the same thing again, but all this is very new to me, in fact i've done very little this past week except read articles and cross reference the wt cd rom..lol, everyone thinks i'm getting spiritual again, anyway!

  i have read several references to the jws and the un.. can anyone shed some light on the matter, ie point me in the direction of good posts or articles about it, as i'm still unclear what has been going on.

  i'm most interested in the facts of the case which is what i think this board is best at!.

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  anglise

  
  
  Here are copies of the UK Guardian articles.
  

  
  
  Hope it is OK to post these.
  

  Jehovah's Witnesses link to UN queried
  
  Sect accused of hypocrisy over association with organisation it has demonised.
  
  Stephen Bates, religious affairs correspondent
  Monday October 8, 2001
  The Guardian The United Nations is being asked to investigate why it has granted associate status to the Jehovah's Witnesses, the fundamentalist US-based Christian sect, which regards it as the scarlet beast predicted in the Book of Revelation.

  Disaffected members of the 6m-strong group, which has 130,000 followers in the UK, have accused the Witnesses' elderly governing body of hypocrisy in secretly accepting links with an organisation that they continue to denounce in apocalyptic terms.

  The UN itself admitted yesterday that it was surprised that the sect, whose formal name is the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of New York, had been accepted on its list of non-governmental organisations for the last 10 years.

  A former member said: "There is a glaring inconsistency which has emerged between the WTBTS's frequent portrayal of the UN as an evil organisation and its behind-the-scenes attempts to curry favour with that organisation. Were individual members to be aware of any formal link they would be devastated.

  "By no stretch of the imagination could the WTBTS be considered to share the ideals of the UN charter unless you suppose that destruction of the UN by God is consistent with that charter."

  The Witnesses, most frequently encountered by non-members when they attempt to make doorstep conversions, have faced accusations of bad faith before.

  These have been most notably over the hierarchy's insistence that members should not accept blood transfusions and over accusations that sexual abuse of children by Witnesses' ministers in the US have been covered up.

  Followers who criticise the Witnesses' leaders or question their decisions are routinely "disfellowshipped" which means fellow members including their families must shun them.

  An obscure and ill-publicised decision by the hierarchy in New York last year modifying the prohibition on transfusions by deeming that God had revealed to them that transfusions of some blood components might be acceptable, providing there was later repentance, has come too late for many hundreds of followers known to have died because they refused blood.

  In child abuse cases, the hierarchy insists there must be two independent witnesses - an almost impossible stipulation - before accusations are investigated.

  The Watchtower Society has been denouncing the UN and its predecessor the League of Nations for 80 years, believing them to be a world empire of false religion, predicted in the Book of Revelation.

  A recent publication since the organisation obtained its recognition describes the UN as "a disgusting thing in the sight of God and his people".

  In an internal document, the WTBTS describes its policy as a "theocratic war strategy". It claims: "In time of spiritual warfare it is proper to misdirect the enemy by hiding the truth. It is done unselfishly; it does not harm anyone; on the contrary it does much good."

  Being a recognised NGO with the United Nations - as more than 1,500 organisations are - gives status though not grants.

  To qualify, organisations must show that they share the ideals of the charter, operate on a non-profit basis, "demonstrate interest in UN issues and proven ability to reach large or specialised audiences" and have the commitment and means to conduct effective information programmes about UN activities.

  Disaffected Witnesses believe that the association, which has not been publicised to followers, is intended to increase the cult's respectability to sceptical governments, such as France's, which have refused to recognise it.

  Paul Gillies, the Witnesses' spokesman in Britain, said: "We do not have hostile attitudes to governing bodies and if we are making representations on issues to the UN we will do so."

  "There are good and bad bodies just as there are good and bad politicians. We believe what the Book of Revelation tells us but we do not actively try to change the political system."

  A spokeswoman for the UN said: "I think we may not be aware of their attitude, which seems to be really strange."

  
  
  Special report
  Religion in the UK
  
  

  'Hypocrite' Jehovah's Witnesses abandon secret link with UN
  
  
  Stephen Bates, religious affairs correspondent
  
  Monday October 15, 2001
  
  The Guardian
  
  
  
  The Jehovah's Witnesses have hurriedly disaffiliated from the United Nations within days of a Guardian story in which members accused the sect of hypocrisy for supporting an organisation it has repeatedly denounced privately.

  After the article last Monday, the organisation's New York based hierarchy pre-empted a UN inquiry by agreeing to dissociate the Witnesses from an organisation which it holds to be the scarlet beast named in the Book of Revelation.

  The Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of New York, as the sect is formally known, has 6m members worldwide and 130,000 in Britain. It had been secretly affiliated to the UN as a non-governmental organisation for 10 years.

  Recognised organisations are supposed to demonstrate that they share the UN's objectives, but Witnesses are instead told by elders to regard it as "a disgusting thing in the sight of God and his people" for allegedly aspiring to world domination like Babylon the Great, the beast in Revelation.

  The sect does not believe in participating in government and initially strove to play down or deny the evidence of the UN's website, which lists it as one of 1,500 affiliated NGOs.

  Those bringing the evidence to light were accused of apostacy. Disaffiliated members become known informally, like the rest of humanity, as "bird seed" in line with biblical prophesy of the fate of non-believers, whose corpses will be pecked bare by crows.

  Within hours of the article's appearance on the Guardian website on Monday and its posting on a Jehovah's Witnesses bulletin board, more than 14,000 people across the world had read it.

  By yesterday there were 353 official posts and 325 message boards discussing the article and its revelations, with Witnesses in the US demanding to see copies of the paper.

  
  
  
  Special report
  
  Religion in the UK
  
  
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  What if Nebraska became JW?

  by Fatfreek in

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  mostly i hate hypothetical questions but i'll make an exception since i'm the one who's asking.

  if the u.s. heartland state of nebraska suddenly found itself 90% occupied by jehovah's witnesses what do you think could happen?

  first off, i have more questions than answers.

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  anglise

  With all the JW cleaners/janitors they would have the cleanest windows ever.

  This would allow all the "new light" to come in.

  Anglise
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  Rollercoaster Ride

  by PoppyR in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  hey everyone.

  just want to say after finding this site and others just a few days ago i feel like my world is upside down.

  i just dont know what to believe.

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  anglise

  Hi PoppyR

  Yes it is a roller coaster ride exiting from such a high control group.

  As you where born into it you have never experienced the roller coaster ride to get in.

  Yes a lot of JW's stay in purely for the social or family aspects. Unhappily many ignore the spectre of the blood issue until too late.

  The big danger comes when that social club expects you or your loved ones to die rather than question their rules. The blood issue is something I personally think you really must research for your own satisfaction QUICKLY.

  Anglise
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  All the things I disagree with

  by PoppyR in

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  last night i sat down and wrote a list of all the things i have disagreed with ..sometimes silently sometimes loudly over the years, some of these are.. yoga, mediation, hypnosis (all of which i have done, enjoyed and benefited from and none of which have cleared my mind) oral sex (no comment .

  on another note.. got stopped by a mormon in the town today, he asked me if i was religious.. i said "i used to be a jw".. and as i walked away i almost hopped skipped and jumped, first time i've said it out loud, and it felt good.. poppy xx

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  Hi PoppyR

  welcome to JWD.

  You certainly arent wasting any time in running out of dubland.

  I hope it continues going well for you.

  Anglise
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  Born in or brought in observation

  by startingover in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i was a born in jw.

  i suppose i could best be described now as an athiest.

  i have a hard time understanding how someone can figure out the jw scam and then become a born again christian.

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  Hi Starting Over

  we where already heavily involved our local church when we started studying 20+ years ago and had been "church raised" from young.

  Having spent about 18 years in the borg we dont belong to any religious group.

  Would love to know that there really was some sort of higher power/god in overall control but as yet have not seen or read anything that is convincing.

  So we follow the general precepts of being nice to all as far as possible and trying to look after our shared planet.

  We reason that by doing this most benign deities might look kindly on us when/if we eventually find them LOL

  Hope this makes sense.

  Anglise