would someone who is knowledgable on the subject of jws 'acting out' theocratic warfare on a personal .
basis please let me know how they go about it ?
in other words, will they actually lie and say they are .
fairmind-
true.. it also only applies to matters which may lead to criminal prosecution of YOURSELF.
In other words, it was meant to keep confessions extorted by torture from becoming valid evidence in cases where your life (death penalty) or liberty (jail time) were at issue..
Is anybody on the board from there?
Anybody know if he is presently active in a cong?
kdn
in another thread you posted the following:the whole child abuse issue is simple apostates in their desperation trying to make something out of nothing for they delight in creating controversies and making mischief.
i was one of those victims.
it isn't a "delight".
..but of course.
bob and sue meet....bob says he loves sue and wants to marry her...sue's lawyer's step in and give bob a list of things that he has to do to show how much he loves sue:
1. you must go on 5 dates a week with her.
they will be predesigned and you will only be allowed to stay within the structure of those predesigned dates.
...then Bob learned that his daughter, as well as several other children in the family, had been sexually abused by one or another of the lawyers speaking for Sue...
toward the end of last year, i joined bally's.
i confess that i have yet to go in 2006. but that all changes tomorrow!
back to the health club for me.. please feel free to post an exercise regimen that works for you.
For me the key was having accountability to GET there and get my work-out in...
I did this by teaching aerobics on my lunch break for years-- i HAD to be there cuz i taught the class! and it was fun, and i had relationship with others who were coming etc.
In this way, i formed the habit.
Now, tho' i occasionally still teach, mostly i'm on my own, but because i formed the habit, i still get my work-out in on my own. If i don't exercize two days running, LOOK OUT! You do NOT wanna be around me..
I am literally addicted to exercize... could be worse; it could be cocaine or alcohol.
For me, it's all about the exercize..... (which motivates me to eat properly.)
kdn
while at assemblies we would often see friends" in the truth", and one of the questions they would almost always ask is, are your kids still "in the truth"?
it seemed the thing to ask, with so many falling away from" the truth".
reflecting on that expression "in the truth" i think that most witneses feel as i did, that the watchtower had pretty much cornered the market on "truth" from god's word, hence the feeling that if we stayed close the the watchtower organization, we without doubt had,or were in, or were closely associated with "the truth" .
Rockhound quoted:
How simple, all I had to do was follow the counsel from the Watchtower, June 1, 1967 p.338
" Heavy research is not necessary, the watchtower has done it all for you. The most beneficial study you can make is to read the Watchtower and Awake magazines or any new book by the organization"
What an amazing quote!! Do NOT think...
Do NOT look at that little man behind the curtain...!
i was told that ( by the husband) that child molesting is brought up often at the meeting and how it is up to the family if the police should be notified.
now i know it is not favored to call the police but has anyone heard these talks on molesting at the meetings?
anything about molestings?.
...and actually, it's NOT 'up to the family' to decide whether to report.
In almost every state in the union, any adult who has even a 'suspicion' of child abuse has a legal duty (by LAW) to report to law enforcement, with criminal penalties for failure to do so.
To state "it's up to you, parents" is to minimize or ignore the LEGAL REPORTING REQUIREMENT.
Why not encourage actual compliance with the law? (novel concept..)
Why not enforce a 'ZERO tolerance' of child abuse in the congregations?
Why not protect the children FIRST?
From what i continue to hear from parents of victims, this isn't happening anyway.. ('it's up to you, parents'), UNLESS the purported molester is outside the cong, or minimally involved. If the molester is heavily involved in the org, it's still an 'inside' job.
'Policy is what you DO, not what you SAY you do..'
kimberlee d norris
what always strikes here on jwd is the number of posters who completely and entirely doubt the jw theology, reject the majority of the teachings and "rules", express their boredom and frustration at having to attend meetings and conventions and yet, still, continue to keep up the facade of attending the meetings, going out in service, essentially choosing to 'live a lie'...... now, i understand fully the complications around leaving such an organization especially concerning family, but, for gods sake people, it would take the most extreme, extraordinary circumstances to keep somebody inside a duplicitous, controlling cult when at any time, you do have the freedom to just walk away.......we are all free moral agents capable of escaping the wts so i humbly ask, .
1) how and why do you keep up the facade?
do your circumstances really justify lying to yourself and family?.
This is EXACTLY what i thought, as i read some posts.
I once dated a guy who was a COMPLETE dead end (for me), but i was emotionally way in, so i kept saying/rationalizing to self, "after Christmas....errrrrr after Valentines day....well now it's his Birthday, so....maybe over SUMMER would be easier..."
It's never gonna be easy.
what always strikes here on jwd is the number of posters who completely and entirely doubt the jw theology, reject the majority of the teachings and "rules", express their boredom and frustration at having to attend meetings and conventions and yet, still, continue to keep up the facade of attending the meetings, going out in service, essentially choosing to 'live a lie'...... now, i understand fully the complications around leaving such an organization especially concerning family, but, for gods sake people, it would take the most extreme, extraordinary circumstances to keep somebody inside a duplicitous, controlling cult when at any time, you do have the freedom to just walk away.......we are all free moral agents capable of escaping the wts so i humbly ask, .
1) how and why do you keep up the facade?
do your circumstances really justify lying to yourself and family?.
Do you have family?
Kids?
Are you teaching them the WT line? What if they believe?
im getting a bit sick of it of late to be honest.
i hardly know anyone that has come into the truth from witnessing recently and i certainly never get any biblestudies.
i guess the internet is doing it's job...... this myspace forum is a sickening, twisted picture of the still-disillusioned - it's great.
i think that's the way to go... tell the truth.
It creates more of a stir.
kdn
