Posts by zack

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Are JWs Christians

by JesusIsKing in

if so i would like to know your reasoning.

zack

I think it is certainly proper to observe the behavior of a certain group and make observations of that behavior and subject it to a standard. In this instance

the standard would be Jesus Christ and his teachings. (The FDS claims they represent God's Kingdom on Earth)

JesusChrist preached the kingdon of heaven/ JW's preach paradise Earth

JesusChrist gave his followers the hope to be WITH HIM in the HOUSE OF HIS FATHER/ JW's preach paradise Earth

Jesus told his followers he would go his way first and later they could follow/JW's teach paradise Earth

Jesus taught one faith, one hope, one baptism/JW's teach teach two hopes, two destinies, two classes of people

There are many other differences, but the above alone suggests to me that the JW teaching/doctrine-- whatever their FEELINGS may be---- is wholly contrary

to Christianity--- the discipleship of Christ, the drinking of his cup, the bearing of his cross, the surrender of the flesh for the promise of the spirit.

To inherit the kingdom of heaven one has to die, just as Christ did. The JW teaching and carrot has been that YOU DID NOT HAVE TO DIE!!! No, indeed,

you could by-pass the cup that Christ himself had to drink, and waltz right into paradise EARTH. And millions have reached out for this carrot and they have

ended up disillusioned. In the process they have missed out on the relationship that could have given them the most joy, the relationship of Sonship with the Father.

This relationship is denied them by their leaders. So the WT leaders and the JW ORG as a whole are ANTI-CHRIST for they deny his place, his power, and

his promise. That is not a judgement, but an observable and quantifiable fact.

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DID WT WRITERS USE DRUGS TO PRODUCE THEIR WRITINGS?

by badboy in

jw
friends

ithas been suggested that wt writersmay have drugs to prouce some of the weird stuf they wrote.. is their any evidence for this?.

zack

I firmly beleive that the writers were either

1. Under the influence of drugs

2. Under the influence of alcohol

or

3. Suffered from a deep and untreated mental psychosis

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Did the JWs conceal crucial info before your baptism

by greendawn in

for those that became jws but weren't born in the cult, do you feel that before baptism the dubs withheld from you information that should have been revealed, things that if you were aware of you wouldn't become a jw in the first place, such as the heartless dfing policy.

perhaps focusing on the promise of paradise earth and eternal life makes us forget to search out possible negative issues and that's part of their trickery.

zack

I was raised in it. They baptized me as a young teen. Hell, I wasn't even old enough to drive. It was basically "get baptized" or "be destroyed at Armageddon."

Be destroyed at Armageddon for not being baptized? Doesn't Jehovah see the heart?

'Yes, he does, but now you have knowledge and that makes you accountable so if you don't get baptized, then he'll have no choice but to destroy you.'

I WISH MY GRANDMOTHER HAD BEEN A LITTLE MORE EDUCATED SO SHE COULD HAVE TURNED THESE PEOPLE AWAY FROM HER LIFE, AND SUBSEQUENTLY OURS,

LONG BEFORE I WAS BORN. THEY ARE THE DEVIL!

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Did you stop singing the songs BEFORE you stopped going to meetings?

by zack in

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friends

after i found out the truth abouth the troof, i could not--- i mean physically could not---- sing a note of a jw song at a meeting.. this was way before i decided to make a plan and a final break.

this happen to anyone?.

zack

After I found out the truth abouth the troof, I could not--- I MEAN PHYSICALLY COULD NOT---- sing a note of a JW song at a meeting.

This was way before I decided to make a plan and a final break. This happen to anyone?

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How did you dispose of your JW books? (Or did you?)

by exwitless in

little drummer boy and i have a small house and we do not have room for the wasted space all of these books are creating.

here's a brief rundown of what we have:.

several nwt hardcover bibles, chinese bibles (lots of chinese students in our town), insight on the scriptures, concordances, a few bound volumes, song books, km books, reasoning books, the entire bible on audio tape, and more.

zack

I'm just starting to fade so I have all of mine. My wife diligently brings home each month's stipend of mags and a KM for me.

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WHy is King David Always held up as a great guy?

by zack in

jw
friends

some of blondie's comments on her wt review makes me post this question.

the wt always holds up david as a great.

they love him.

zack

Some of Blondie's comments on her WT review makes me post this question. The WT always holds up David as a great

example. They love him. Why is this man so special? He had a bad temper. He was presumptous. He used his authority and position to take another man's wife

and later had her husband killed. He was the cause for the smiting of 70k Israelites by Jehovah. He didn't have the courage to kill Saul, but had the guy killed

who said he did it. His own kids rebelled against him. People were always dieing around him. He was a man of tremendous voilence who used voilence

as a political tool on the battlefield and behind the scenes. And through it all he remained King and escaped the sentence of death that any poor Israelite

woulod have certainly received had he done the things David did. In his case, it was good to be the king.

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How Long Did It Take You To Snap Out Of Watchtower Think?

by The wanderer in

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friends

how long did it take you to snap out of watchtower think?it took me better than a year to let go of watchtower think.

the teachings held on to me.

more so than the emotions and i did not have family in the organization to tie me down.. disconnecting yourself from watchtower thinkwhen you first discovered what the society was behind the scenes how long did it.

zack

I'm still a fader. Like Minimus said, for some it takes careful planning. I'm patient. Mentally, however, after reading CoC all I had been feeling and thinking

was confirmed. Freeminds and JWD were a big help in not feeling isolated. The boards helped me to see that I WASN"T crazy, that I wasn't the ONLY one

who saw the emperor wore no clothes. As an elder it was difficult to fade, but I have formulated a plan and its been working. The fact the the WT sees no end

in sight, in spite of the "urgency" they assert is also a big help. My grandparents are long dead, my parents are in their 70's, my wife's parents will shortly be in

theirs---- it's a lot easier to point these things out (promises delayed, etc...)to some of my closer friends and allow them to draw their own inferences.

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Why are angels always white?

by slimboyfat in

jw
friends

in pictures of conventions or the new system they tend to show a mixture of races, but the angels always seem to be white.

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slim.

zack

The bible describes the appearance of some spirit creatures. Maybe that's where the bias comes from.

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Simple Logic Flaws Overlooked as to the Millenium Rule of JW Doctrine

by OnTheWayOut in

when i started a study with jw's, i was always amazed that they had a logical answer to everything.. here are some simple logic flaws that i wish i caught before baptism.

first, their own bible says:.

(revelation 20:4-6) 4 and i saw thrones, and there were those who sat down on them, and power of judging was given them.

zack

Shouldn't the whole Millenial Rule be seen also as figurative? I mean, in literature, the kingdom of a thousand years, or anything of a thousand years is usually

metaphorical of something everlasting. (I'm just going with you on the logic flaws, here) So if Revelation is a book of symbols, of metaphors, it would be logical

that the knigdom of Christ--- The Kingdom of Heaven--- wouldn't end in 1000 years, but would be forever, esp. in light of Daniel 2:44 where it says it will be "an indefinitely"

lasting kingdom. This would screw up the whole JW paradigm, though.

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The WTS and its vicious slandering of the early church

by greendawn in

one of the most disagreeable actions of the wts is the vicious way in which it relegates the christian martyrs of the early church not only in seeking to minimise their number but also their authenticity.

they claim that after the first century the church went apostate and there were basically very few genuine christians so most martyrs were worthless.

yet when we examine the early church doctrines closely we see that they were pretty much based on the bible and perhaps also on books that were then circulating among the churches and considered, perhaps wrongly, to be genuine at the time.

zack

The WTS slanders the early church because it

1. Doesn't know enough to understand it

2. They displayed a faith unlike ANY MEMBER OF ANY GB has ever had to display

3. Were simple in their message (as has been said)

4. Shows up the lie of 144k being a literal number

5. Allowed for personal conscience in most matters of life and even differing views about interpretation of scipture