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  What's Your Opinion Of Today's Jehovah's Witness?

  by minimus in

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  i was raised as a jw.

  i'm 51 now and i've seen many changes over the years.

  in the mid 70s, when ray franz, ed dunlap (sp?

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  zack

  I gave my first student talk in 1971. Of the servant body then, only 1 made it past 1976 as a JW. Those guys had what you are calling "heart." They believed in a brotherhood. The "Truth" was a shared experience. I remember people being happy.

  Who is happy now? Most dubs don't even READ the Bible. I told my wife the other day that it was her "sacred duty" to submit to the FDS and she vehemently denied that it was. When I showed her her own underlined copy of the WT study article, she didn't even ACKNOWLEDGE what a statement like that means! They do not even THINK about what their beliefs are. If they did, they'd leave.

  I know of no person that is actually JOYOUS in my cong. They are all riddled with problems and waiting on the "end" to solve them all, when all they have to do is take some action on their part to at least ameliorate their situations. And they are aging and dieing, clinging to "Paradise" that never came.

  The talks are sterile, forced. The elders are company men. Old people go neglected and lonesome. The Kingdom Hall is a sad, sad place on a Sunday.
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  As A Witness Did You Believe That Jesus Was Your Mediator??

  by Lady Liberty in

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  2. bible

  good afternoon everyone.. happy wednesday!!.

  when you were a witness did any of you know that the society actually teaches that jesus is not your mediator unless you are one of the 144,000??

  she said to him, "that is apostate talk, where did you get that??

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  I found out about this in preperation for Pioneer Service School as part of the curriculum is the hammering home of the all important position of the FDS, and part of this is that you can't have Christ without them. Anyway, when this part was covered in the school, our CO asked the question about who was the mediator. Almost everyone said JC. Well, the younger ones were very confused and vocal about the correct answer from the WTS. They all believed JC was their mediator. Not so. It was very enlightening to many people. It was one of the moments that helped break my mind free from the grip of the WTS. It's ironic that what helped me leave the Org.(I am a precipitous fader) was their own indoctrination school. 2 solid weeks of nothing but the GB and FDS was circuit overload for me. I was able to see it clearly for what it was: lies and deception, double speak, propaganda.
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  Been Df'ed for 9 years and Elders showed up @ my door Sat. Morning

  by jrjr4189 in

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  complete shock came over me this past saturday when an elder and young bap.

  guy showed up at my door to see me.. i had attended some meetings for a few weeks back in early 2006 as an appeasment for my mother and had spoken with an elder because he asked what my intentions were.

  i of course told them that i wanted to come back.

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  zack

  Gary:

  You kill me, man. Cold call indeed!
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  The Watchtower July 1 Questions From Readers - Each one decides for himself

  by garybuss in

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  2. medical

  the watchtower july 1 questions from readers.

  then are we to conclude that jehovah's witnesses oppose the people's use of transfusions?.

  that would be a wrong conclusion.

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  zack

  The WTS has always been a master of deception. They use more spin than the politicians do. Of course "everyone decides for himself." What's new about that? Nothing. What the WTS will not tell the world is that if you "choose" for yourself to go against their policy then they df you, or lately simply say you DA'd yourself.

  If I stand or fall on my own before God, what do I need the WTS for? I actually asked an elder friend of mine that question a few days ago. He could not provide an honest answer. Actually, the corner the WTS paints itself into, if one takes their statement at face value, is one of obsolescence.

  Thanks Gary
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  Did you ever 'Turn Someone In' to the elders? Do you regret it now?

  by AK - Jeff in

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  i am not proud of that, for i know the pain i caused someone as i look back.. i turned in 4 people for 'gross sins' over my tenure as a jw.

  i wish i could take it back now.

  were these people guilty of 'sin' as defined by the wts?

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  I never ratted on anyone. As an elder some in the cong, tried to "rat" on others to me and my response to them was always the same: "Have you spoken to so and so and tried to win your brother?" The answer was always "no."

  JW's aren't interested in "winning" their brother. They are interested in their own survival and if it means turning in their own flesh and blood, then that's what they'll do.... all in the name of God, of course. The WTS is evil, man. EVIL.
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  Faders with a JW spouse, let me ask....

  by OnTheWayOut in

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  do you ever want to share something with the spouse that you read here on jwd or .

  at other anti-jw information sites?.

  examples: "dear, i heard that magazines won't be handed out to the df'ed anymore.".

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  OTWO:

  I know what you're talking about. I don't even talk about JW stuff with my wife because, frankly, my blood pressure starts to spike. I feel like I am being conned every time some one tells me how wonderful the Org. is. The last few conversations with my wife have not gone well due to my inabily to keep my mouht shut, so now i avoid all discussions all together, ar at least try to.

  The other night we were out with friends and something was mentioned about the SOCIETY, etc.... All I could do was not join in the conversation. I may have well been on Mars, every one around me was whacky, trapped in the JW world of constantly shifting illusion.

  Good luck to you. I am not so sure my marriage can survive my evil knowledge.
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  Circuit Leasing

  by RichieRich in

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  ok, take a couple seconds and go check out www.circuitleasing.com .

  notice that on every page, the buick logo appears.. .

  the buick logo, however, is not accompanied by any trademarks or reserved rights, and the site itself doesn't mention anywhere that they have permission to use the logo for their own purposes.. .

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  I saw where they have a request ino page. If you fill that out will they send you a couple dubs to your door?
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  NEW policy! NO LIT for EX-JWs!

  by MinisterAmos in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  it's official; they read the letter tonight that puts forth the new procedure.

  if you find an expelled person in the field or are studying with one, you are no longer permitted to give them lit.

  presumably the elders make a decision if an expelled one is regularly attending meetings, but only they can give them lit.

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  zack

  He who isolates himself brings forths his own selfish longing------- Who can be more "isolated" in their ivory tower than the GB?

  The WTS is going through the process of the regimes before it which eventually died of their own wieght and inertia. These people eat their young.

  They are getting more and more paranoid.
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  X MS, Elders, COs., and DOs.....your thoughts?

  by restrangled in

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  i wonder how it strikes you when you read of those facing or have faced one of your tribunals?.

  as x men in charge, how do you feel reading the pain and panic here?.

  r..

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  Shame.
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  Blood - things the Society didn't ban?

  by unique1 in

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  ok, crumpets post on the lid of life thread got me thinking.

  when i was a kid and got a cut on my finger my mother would always tell me to suck it.

  which meant i was sucking my own blood, which meant i was eating blood, which meant i was defiling god.

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  zack

  Yes, Unique1, you are going to hell for sucking on your little boo-boo as a child. So is your, Mom, by the way, because she was the ring leader.

  The good news is, hell is terrific...bingo, good food, great views, non-judgmental people. And the best of all....No JW's. How could that be all bad?