we were taught by the borg that death is the result of sin.
however, notice what the genesis account says:.
22 and jehovah god went on to say: "here the man has become like one of us in knowing good and bad, and now in order that he may not put his hand out and actually take [fruit] also from the tree of life and eat and live to time indefinite," 23 with that jehovah god put him out of the garden of e den to cultivate the ground from which he had been taken.
The more I read and dwell on the Genesis story, the more I am I an convinced it is just a story.
To the point of the thread, according to the story itself, God did not "murder" Adam and Eve. The serpent was the manslayer. Perhaps humans were meant to be more than the angels themselves. Maybe we are the higher creation and someone like Lucifer just couldn't stand it. The interpretations of the story I am sure are endless. What I think is simplistic and fantastic is the JW explanation of it.
ok, slowly awakening and fading at the same time for two years now, and did not plan it.
i tell my wife last night i have been having some interesting e-mails with my dad about the qb from the sept km we are to study this week.
she says she has read it, but does not remember it.
Hang in there, bro. My comments are seen as "negative" also. Strange how one only points out a fact, allows them to draw their own conclusion, and yet we are "negative."
There will be more tears.
These guys are evil, the whole lot of them.
according to rudy .....so now i'm confused.
i thought it was a federal issue.... "it's not a crime," giuliani said friday.
"i know that's very hard for people to understand, but it's not a federal crime.".
Every one is entitled to their own opinion. They are not, however, entitled to their own facts. And while one may find Rudy hypocritical, one cannot change the FACTS of what he said in his quote.
As for life experience, I'll sail the boat designed by a nautical engineer, manufactured by shipwrights with EXPERIENCE, education, and certification. You can sail the one designed and made by those who have opinions on boat building, but not the requisite EXPERIENCE.
according to rudy .....so now i'm confused.
i thought it was a federal issue.... "it's not a crime," giuliani said friday.
"i know that's very hard for people to understand, but it's not a federal crime.".
Ah yes. Those rascally illegal immigrants from Mexico. I think they are the cause of lunar eclipses, the trade deficit, and possibly even global warming. Hell! 12 millions of them probably
put our so much CO2 that they are most likely the single biggest contributor to the melting of the polar ice caps. Save Greenland! Expel the illegals!
Quit being such xenophobes. And Rudy is right. I don't like him. But he's right. Any of you smart asses ever been a US Attorney? Or Mayor of New York? Or made a million dollars?
Ever run ANYTHING except your mouths?
god created adam and eve.
fill the earth, and become many.
live in paradise.
When you REALLY think about it, it all sounds so silly, so illogical.
let's just say, hypothetically speaking, that an elder called me on the phone recently.
let's also say, hypothetically, that i just so happen to be recording the conversation.
let's then say he called me again and recorded it again.
Post it already! Hell, Monica Lewinsky was recorded and her voice ended up being heard round the world. No expectation of privacy exists for that elder. Besides, you think he's kept mum about your little talks?
would somebody give me a detailed rundown of what occurs?
and what would i (the evil ubm) notice my husband doing that would give me a clue that he might be planning this?
i've looked at some old threads and see that there must be letters & meeting attendance.
Have your husband consult a psychiatrist. If he is OUT and wants to get back IN, he needs professional help. If he wants something to do three times week, have him coach Little League, take knitting classes, or join a gym. Chain the man to the front porch if you have to.....but don't let him go back....and do not allow him to castrate himself by groveling to any JW elder, let alone 3 of them.
for those that still have doubts about the true nature of the wts organisation, its leaders and r&f and who think that this organisation has a supreme status through being hand picked by god as his sole organisation on earth: .
far from the gb being a group of god appointed saintly elite over an angelic jw society they are group of despicable ever scheming devious men directing a vast and nasty network of jw communities of venomous sneaky vermin which with their poisonous fangs will suck the life out of anyone that gets caught in their cultic spider web of deception and just as with some poisonous spiders you may not realise that you got bitten until well after the fact.
jw sainthood, what a joke, it is as real as easter bunny.
These guys are evil.
i was caught saying a few "truths" about the organization to my tennis buddy whose family are witnesses.
he rather innocently related some things i expressed.
the next thing i knew i was being asked by the po if i had any issues with the faithful slave.
A good friend recently told me that my comments about the borg were negative.
So I asked: Are they true?
So she answered: Yes.
So I said: And aren't we supposed to love and speak truth to each other?
She: Yes.
I smiled: So I as your friend don't lie to you. I tell you truth. I show respect for you by not bullshitting you about anything, and you think that's negative?
She pleaded: Just don't tell anyone else, okay?
So there you have it. JW's don't want truth. The ones that do get the out. Have I ever been called to task? I suspect I will be left alone. I am committed to making life a living and expensive legal hell for anyone in the heirarchy who screws with me. And from what I have been able to discern in all my time as a JW, many of them as an elder, is that a JW's committment to the Borg stops well short of their individual wallets.
if a faithful devout jw saw her husband on a board like this or reading "apostate" literature, if she was so disturbed by her husband's actions and the husband justified himself, would you think that if she told the elders because she was truly concerned that her mate was going to leave "the truth" and ultimately not make it into the "new system", --------that this was simply a marital issue-----not a religious one?.
your opinions please..
Any issue that involves your marriage is marital by definition. More to your point, and I know how dubs think having been one all my life, if my mate felt she had to "tell" on me for being a naughty boy and hangin' with you 'postates, how could I possibly trust her with anything after that?
