I am sure there's a Polish joke in there somewhere.
Posts by zack
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7Polish Apostates steal Watchtower legal corporation inc.- twice!!!!
by Witness 007 inyearbook 1994 p.180-189 "1919 {after russell died}...by drawing away most of the brothers for themselves, the opposers gained control of the legal corporation {bible students association inc.} ...this resulted in the loss of the meeting place of the warsaw congregation...the registration of "the bible student association group 2" was composed of brothers loyal to the society..{after 1925 failed prophecy} warsaw congregation was sharply divided...out of 300 brothers, only 30 remained loyal to the society, of 150 persons in lodz only 3 brothers and 6 sisters loyally continued to meet together...three of these opposition groups exist today...the work being done by the "faithful slave' had to start almost anew...now even "bible students association group 2" was under control of apostates.
it goes on to say, the polish government refused to register a "group 3.
" however one apostate from the first group comes back into the truth!
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Christians: Why are we here (earth) in the first place?
by Awakened07 inanother thread here reminded me of something i used to wonder about while i was still an active jw, and haven't really thought about until now that i was reminded of it again.. - this is probably a very banal question, but (the premise comes first):.
-god created a myriad of angels in heaven before he created our universe and earth, right?.
-and - except for those who rebelled - they are all still up there, right?.
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zack
Angels are the lower creation. Man was to experience a physical life and then pass on to immortality--- become like God in both knowledge, form, and power. Hey, it's just as good as any other explanation, right?
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Do You Still Want To Know The Truth
by The-Borg insomething is very very wrong with our world.
or am i imagining it and things really aren't that bad?.
personally i think there are issues being played out about which we know nothing, we can only guess at ( i don't think it's the issue of universal sovereignty).
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zack
JFK said the problems we faced were man made. If the problems are man made, why can't the solutions be man made, too?
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I have seen prayers read at district convention!
by oompa inyes, i like to gaze around during prayers, especially big ones.
twice now i have seen the chairman or concluding speaker finish the song, approach the speaker stand, say "let's approach god in prayer," and at the last second pull out a index card size of paper with writing on it.
he kind of cups his hand over as he lays in on top of the song book.
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zack
The only public prayers that I evr heard at any JW function that were actually prayers--- I hate to say--- were my own.
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Do You Believe Having A Body of Elders Made The Organization Stronger?
by minimus inlooking back over the years, would you say that from the society's point of view, that developing a boe arrangement worked out well?
and from an individual point of view, were you affected more negatively because now there were more elders that you had to account to?
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zack
The problem, as I saw it, was the CENTRAL control of the structure. It's fascism. There is nothing pastoral about the arrangement.
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JWs all excited Big A just around Corner- Earthquakes-Indonesia
by stillajwexelder inhttp://news.uk.msn.com/article.aspx?cp-documentid=6111896.
a big earthquake predicted.
just to let you know all jws in our area are all wide eyed and almost orgasmic over all the earthquakes in the pacific ocean/indian ocean area - the end - armagedon is just around the corner.
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zack
Ah, yes. Har-mageddon. Bring it on, baby.
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The Countdown is on......
by AK - Jeff infor the new 'jw only, don't you damn apostates dare look at and analyze it anymore watchtower' dated january 2008.. any bets as to whether we will see an issue before the rank and file?.
jeff .
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zack
Bethelites will keep the wheels of insider info greased. They learn all too soon what BS it really it is.
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New RBC arrangements/directives
by bud2114 ini joined awhile back and haven't posted much - just lurking like many others.
for the past year or so i have been trying my best to fade away sooner rather than later, but the wife and most of our family have decades of involvement in this mess and well, it's difficult.
little by little i have been sowing seeds of doubt and it does seem to be working somewhat.
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zack
The RBC arrangement has changed and they have been given some more responsibility. For instance, they have been told to enforce the safety and maintenance audit conducted yearly at the Kingdom Halls in the US Branch. One reason for this is that the WTS is self-insured. They want the RBC to make sure any negligence issues are minimized.
As for spending money: A congregation can do whatever it wants on its KH if it does two things: 1) Keeps the labor pool to within the brothers that meet at that hall 2) use their own money and borrow none from the society.
Since the BOE's are composed of mainly company men who can not find their own asses without first consulting the FDS, as soon as there is any talk about construction of any type, they will pick up the phione and call the RBC. Once that happens, the RBC is going to control things. Once they control things, a royal clusterfuc* is gauranteed. These are the same people who will rule the world. Sure they will.
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When was Jesus born?
by Anti-Christ inthe wt always put a lot of importance on the subject that jesus was not born the 25 of dec. now my question is why is there two different stories in the bible about jesus birth?
in luke 2 there is one story and in matthew there is an other.
in luke it says that jesus was born during a census when quirinius was governing syria but in matthew it says that he was born when herod the great was still alive.
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zack
He was born three times according to scripture. Which of the births are you referring to?
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zack
As an elder, I have had other elders confide things here and there, but never actually cross the line of apostatedom. I do have a very close friend who is still an elder who knows that it's all BS, but will never give up being elder. He has never SAID it, but it's how he feels.