Posts by zack

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Are the WTS a bunch of slackers or busy with other pursuits?

by RULES & REGULATIONS in

the new world translation was written in 1961 and revised twice.the song book was written in 1984.the watchtower magazine only comes out twice a month.the awake magazine might even be dropped one day.it looks like not a whole lot of material is coming out of new york these days.what does this corporation do all month with its time that so little production comes out?.

do you think that the wts are so occupied with lawsuits,real estate deals,wills and estates,and construction of new kingdom halls that the ''spiritual food'' has been declining?

do you think that the writing of less material been noticed by the rank and file?.

zack

The GB know for a certainty the great amount of horsesh** they inherited from Freddy and the Judge. They just don't want to do anything about it.

What can they do? The honest thing would be to apologize, admit to 1914 being contrived, admit the whole FDS doctrine is contrived. Maybe they

have considered it and at the end of the discussion all were agreed on what a fantasy it all was, but then the question: NOW WHAT DO WE DO?

None of them wants to give up anything. Hell, they all paid their dues on the factory floor, took crap as MS's and Elders, traveled around as CO's, then DO's.

They are at the TOP of the JW food chain, man! You think they're going to give that up 'cause it's the RIGHT thing to do? NO WAY! They only do what

benefits THEM. And changing doesn't benefit them.

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Told wife that I don't like going to the meeting

by XBEHERE in

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finally said it out loud even though my actions have been showing it for quite some time.

a fight ensued and now she isn't talking to me.

the wierd thing is when i just didnt go she didn't say much (she hasn't been for over 2 mos for a medical reason) but god forbid i should actually vocalize that i don't want to go... i didn't want to give her any fuel to call me an apostate so i just blamed discouragement and my dislike of the elders which she already knows.

zack

Hang in there! My wife didn't react to well when I first vocalized my inability to sit through the book study, then other meetings. She gave me the same lines, especially

the one about being the ONLY balanced elder that the publishers have. Well, if I am the only balanced one this religion can produce out of 14 to 17 at

any given time (one elder recently went totally OUT OF THE ORG at our hall), and I DON"T believe the BS anymore, what does that tell her about the religion?

I hope I am an example to the pubs. and they follow my lead!

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The New World Translation is a Mess

by Amazing in

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the new world translation (nwt) contains thousands of serious errors.

the following regarding john 1:1, one of the most noteworthy verses to jehovah's witness and ex-jehovah's witnesses alike, provides a case example of how and why the nwt cannot be trusted.

there some few scholars that translate the word was "a god" or "a god" or "divine" but they are in the very low percentages.. in greek john 1:1 says: "en arche en ho logos, kai ho logos en pros ton theon, kai theos en ho logos.

zack

I don't have a problem with the "Logos was a god" or the "Logos was God." I do feel, though, that not translating that scripture as most scholars do is an insight

into the bias of JW's AGAINST the uniquesness of Christ. After all, I was taught that Jesus was just another angel, he just happened to be the first one. Such

an explanation of Christ does nothing to draw a person closer to him. What JW's have not grasped, in their attermpt to give the Almighty His due as THE CREATOR, is

that the Father willed for the SON to receive praise, honor, glory, dignity, power, authority, obeisance. SUCH things towards the Son are lacking in the JW

theology. This is but a symptom that explains why JW's carry so much guilt and lack the joy of a Christian: Their leaders deny to them the nature of Christ, who man HAS SEEN,

and insist they learn about Jehovah (whom JW's beleive to be the Creator) which no man has seen, and as John said in verse 21 of the same chapter of this

thread discussion, "Christ has explained Him (Almight God the Father) to us." I agree, too, with how forced the language feels in he NWT. And I especially

dislike the substitution of "grace" with "undeserved kindness." That to me is egregiuos.

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My Bethel Esperience Part 19

by new boy in

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besides almost getting mugged a couple of times.

the closest, i came to getting hurt while at bethel was in the summer in 1972, at the allentown pa district convention.

i think its name was "the divine endurance" .

zack

The first time you said they "keep" your body in one of your earliest experiences was the first time I heard of it and I temped at the Farms.

Anyway, it chilled me to think of the cunning involved in an obligatory pledge like that. To sign over your remains is simply beyond the pale.

I can understand providing a burial place if one's body is not claimed by a relative. What do they fear? An autopsy? A worldy relative giving

one of their Bethelites a worldly funeral? A cross marking a Bethelite's grave? Too sad. Jehovah's Happy People!

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What do you think is behind the watchtower change in 2008 ?

by 5go in

i think it's an atempt to catch faders or atleast make active dubs feel special.

it also could be a cost cutting measure to though.

getting rid of the km's and even up awakes and watchtowers would save some trees.

zack

They will not get rid of the KM. What I think they WILL do is:

Consolidate WT Writing and Awake Writing into one department, currently they have different editorial staff, management, etc.... since these are "public" mags (and may be happening already. Didn't long time Awake Editor Harry Peloyan pass away?)

They will have the Service Department, which currently writes the KM, author the for-JW-only issue of the WT. This way, all liberal WT writers (of which there are more than a few)

will no longer have an influence on JW Doctrine. Service Department will be in charge of all dub thinking.

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What do you think is behind the watchtower change in 2008 ?

by 5go in

i think it's an atempt to catch faders or atleast make active dubs feel special.

it also could be a cost cutting measure to though.

getting rid of the km's and even up awakes and watchtowers would save some trees.

zack

I agree that money is NUMBER 1

Information control is NUMBER 2

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Scriptural Proof/Support for the "New Light" doctrine?

by brunnhilde in

so i've been thinking a lot about the whole new light thing - how exactly is that justified in the bible by the dubs?

i can't remember anything other than the scripture they quote but there has to be more to it than that!

if i'm having a total braincramp, sorry!

zack

I believe that if you hurry and get to Orlando, Florida before March 21st, you can get a discounted entry into the

Magic Kingdom at Disney World. The JW foundation of its theology may be found there. I certainly have not found it

in the Bible.

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WT distribution changes in 2008 - Will it effect your literature order?

by truthseeker in

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some of us here are still active and still have a magazine order.. what do you think will happen when we go to pick up our magazines?.

will the literature servant reduce our order of the 15th edition to 1 per person?

what if you want spares?

zack

I agree with the "eyes only" theory. I predict this mag. to actually have a difference in appearance as well. Since it's for dubs only,

maybe it will be black and white, cheaper paper, etc... It will definitely be something to keep the dubs from getting confused and

placing the mags mistakenly, and more importantly, it will aid the elders in keeping their groups from placing these mags. It'll be a KM

for the WT, maybe even written by the Service Department instead of the Writing Department. That'll be the real key.

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What will Jehovah's Witnesses do when they realize they've been lied to

by cultswatter in

i think there might be a mass revolt.

imagine a mob of 100,000 angry dubs in newyork smashing down wt 25 using telephone posts as battering rams.

then the looting and the destruction of every wt property in newyork and elsewhere.

zack

The JW's are beleivers in that THEY will never die. Death is for the other person, the older person, the wicked person, the prophets of old, for Christ, for those who

go to heaven. However, THEY are not going to die---- EVER!!!!!!

How can you argue with that delusion? If you were a Witness once, you know the mental gymnastics it took to swallow everything WT----- but when it came to

NEVER dieing, well, all the gymnastics were worth it, right?

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Do you recall your "point of no return"?

by JH in

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was there something special that happened, an event or maybe a deception, that triggered your point of no return as a jw.. .

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zack

The moment where the curtain was rent in two: Pioneer Services School where CO says that Nathan Knorr at age 37 was appointment

President of the WT. "Can you imagine," he says, "to be ruling over the whole Earth at age 37?"

NO. I could not imagine it.