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  On the subject of Child Baptism - Video

  by cappytan in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  so, the latest "kids" kingdom melody video is out.. here are some screenshots:.

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  yep, that's right, they showed a kid with a teddy bear getting baptized.. here's the video in full for documentation, if you can stomach it.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ellrtyj_maq.

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  Beyond my snowman remark, as I find their judgementalism to be ridiculous, I have a major issue with young people getting baptized. I remember articles back when I was younger deriding child baptisms, and how young people would just get baptized in their parent's religion and how they never really made decisions as it was a default for them to follow in their family's footsteps. What the eff do you think that Witness kids do? They have to follow in their parent's footsteps. If you aren't baptized by the time you're a young adult (let's say 16) people start asking about you. Assumptions are made as to your character. Some dads have elder's roles to fulfill, and part of that is having good young women and men that are baptized (nobody really cares about the whole dedication thing, it's all about the outward symbol, because as we all know it is how you appear that matters most). I hate the way kids are pushed into getting baptized. I knew that I needed to, and I did genuinely want to, but only because I wanted to do what was right, not because I had any relationship with God. I was just a smart kid that could answer questions. Heck, a trained monkey could answer many questions. I'll never forget one particular elder that went over my questions with me. I would phrase the answers in my own words because I knew that was the best way to show sincerity, as the WT magazines told me so, so I would give well thought out answers. The elder would sit across from me and kind of tell me that what I had was a night thought, but that the answer was "insert word for word answer here from a publication". He was too dumb to get what I was saying because as a kid I could talk over his head. I thought I had "failed", but they managed to put me through. Either he understood more than he let on or the other two elders knew that he was a knucklehead. Regardless, these kids can't get married, or often drive a car, or make decisions at to what time to go to bed, but they can engage in a lifelong dedication to a God that is the only one they've ever known or really even heard of, dedicated to an organization that is the only one they've ever known and that is controlling their feelings and thoughts from a young age. That is utter and complete crap.

  If you only have one choice in a matter, did you really make a decision?
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  On the subject of Child Baptism - Video

  by cappytan in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  so, the latest "kids" kingdom melody video is out.. here are some screenshots:.

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  yep, that's right, they showed a kid with a teddy bear getting baptized.. here's the video in full for documentation, if you can stomach it.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ellrtyj_maq.

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  What's wrong with building a snowman?
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  Ties at the Kingdom Hall

  by CloseTheDoor in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  couple of weeks ago an elder took a young man aside and crawled all over him after the tms for wearing a "skinny" tie.

  it was one of those 2 inch wide ties.

  nothing bright or scandalous about.

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  From my experience, not all about me:

  Hair too long

  Suit too gold, wrong color, style issue

  Buttons/broaches too shiny

  Hair wrong color

  Didn't shave before meeting

  Must wear suit jacket even in 100 degree weather out in service
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  Informant-I consent for my relevant medical records to be shared with HLC!

  by Atlantis in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  from an informant who contacted atlantis:.

  .. i consent to my relevant medical records and the details of my condition being shared with.

  the emergency contact below and/or with member(s) of the hospital liaison committee.

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  Pardon my ignorance, but is this a new card? Or is this what most have now? I had one that looked different and haven't ever seen this one. Then again, my card was many years ago and I faded and never really kept up with things. That seems quite invasive.
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  OK....IM TOTALLY CONFUSED ! !

  by brandnew in

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  2. friends

  ok, so....does everyone who has ever been born, and lived on this planet called earth....get ressurected?.

  doesnt that sound like pissin in the wind?.

  destroy everyone......just to bring em back......to destroy them again....... seems like a neverending cycle..

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  Ha, I've thought about this. When someone dies, from Leonard Nimoy to their cousin twice removed named Bert, they always look forward to seeing them in paradise. I even saw a post on a JW forum the other day where a person quoted the scripture that Jehovah will satisfy the desire of every living thing and they wanted to see cousin Bert, so therefore they were sure of them being resurrected. I remember making fun of worldly people and how they thought everyone went to heaven at any funeral. JWs think everyone will be resurrected, so what's the difference?

  I do still believe in such hopes, but I no longer stand by any side of things. I'll let Jehovah sort it out. Not my circus to manage.
  
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  Sorry, But Your Sad Story Doesn't Make Me Feel Better. Is it supposed to?

  by Tempest in a Teacup in

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  i have very recently come out of a bout of severe depression which lasted for years.

  i have ginormous underlying issues which i hardly talk about, especially to my family.. today my sister came in, wanting to force me to do something she wanted.

  her strategy was to make me feel bad for feeling bad, just to show me that my problem (which she has no idea of but thinks she does) wasn't the biggest in the world.

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  I went through a really bad period with depression, suicidal thoughts, all of that fun stuff. One thing I've learned since is to see people for their intentions. Telling you that others have it worse is a poorly executed plan for a good intention. They're trying to help the only way they know how. Comparison is something that we all do in this culture.

  With that said, it isn't effective. Try going into the breat cancer ward and telling them that the people down the hall have more deadly pancreatic cancer. That's not cheering anyone up.

  Personally, I hope that you can open up about whatever you're dealing with. I found solace in a podcast called The Mental Illness Happy Hour. That is one eye opening show. I don't use it for comparison, but it gave me a new perspective on the baggage that so many of us carry. It helps many to hear similar stories and to know that they're not alone. When you bring things out in the light it is hard to stay in the darkness.

  Best wishes. I hope thar you find a ladder out of the darkness.
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  They only care about themselves......

  by dubstepped in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i've watched the reaction to the nepal disaster for the first time with eyes opened.

  lots of comments about praying for the brothers and sisters affected.

  the official release on the website references only the sister and her two children that died, along with the impact on the brothers there.

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  I've watched the reaction to the Nepal disaster for the first time with eyes opened. What do I see? Lots of comments about praying for the brothers and sisters affected. The official release on the website references only the sister and her two children that died, along with the impact on the brothers there. That's it. For an organization that is supposed to be marked by love, for all of the gum flapping about how much love for neighbor they show, they can't even be bothered to shout out to the thousands killed and their families and friends. Would it be too much to even acknowledge that other people, you know, the ones that you supposedly love so much, even exist? I understand taking care of your own, but you don't have to ignore everyone else like callous narcissists.
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  Missionary send-off ... " If You Could See What I See " ... - The little cart with a big heart -

  by Esse quam videri in

  1. watchtower
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  from the perspective of the jehovah's witnesses public witnessing cart.

  a family put this skit on for going away party for our missionary family.

  [ i can just imagine what the villagers are going to say about the crazy missionary gringo and his cart.

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  Did they just boo the one black guy in the skit? Lol. Why does he have to be the ne'er do well in the production. Maybe I'm wrong on the color of the skin in the video, but if not......

  
  

  If nothing else, that whole thing is embarrassing. Just hokey and ridiculous.
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  Mummy Dear Lies at Assemblies

  by Tempest in a Teacup in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  my zealously fanatic jw mum is aware of my current "tourist-jw" life.

  what she doesn't know for sure is that she's part of the ones who brought me to this.. my mum was a quite moderate jw, she even got publically reproved once.

  in our house, there was no daily text, no family study, no eating together, no preaching together, no watchtower study...even though she regularly checked my wt to see if i studied it.. being a single mother, she had a quite busy work schedule, so from the moment she woke up to the moment she went to bed, you'd better not waste a single minute of her time needlessly.

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  I feel for you TIAT. Not in the second act portion of life where family now has any control over my wife or I, but in that I watched the dog and pony show often. My dad was an elder and gave talks about happy family life as all of his kids, and even his wife, rolled their eyes. He was full of crap up there. He did the same on assembly parts. My mom has even left the auditorium during his parts.

  As a young person I was a great example in the congregation. I was therefore asked to do several parts. I distinctly remember that if my answers to whatever questions I was asked in the interviews wasn't good enough, I would be coached into giving better answers. You know, not truthful ones, but ones that set a higher standard. My wife was on parts as a kid, and she too had her stories massaged to be more than what they were.

  So, it doesn't surprise me one bit that anyone would lie around the circuit or on any part. Happens all of the time. It is easier to lie in that way because the lies are often things that you feel guilty about. Your mom probably felt bad on some level that she didn't study and such with you, and she intended to, so that's all that counts. In her mind, she probably did at this point because she can't bear the shame of not having done so. How sad that all of that is put on everyone to the point of shame that motivates one to tell revisionist stories.

  I believe very little of any personal experiences given from any stage. I assume most to be exaggerations at least, outright lies at most.
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  At the Kingdom Hall

  by paradisebeauty in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i was thinking of starting a topic on thoughts that go through your mind while attending meetings.... right now i am at the meeting and thinking ... we study about jesus's courage to stand by rightness and truth, about him getting in conflict with religious leaders who thought of themselves as experts of the law, jesus understood truth and god differently of them and he had the courage to speak out!.

  so we study this, but after that we draw the concluzion that courage is to go preaching and identify yourself as a witness .... well, this in not what i understand from jesus's courage!.

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  My wife and I have had a similar conversation. If you look in the Bible, all of these big players in the grand scheme of things were people that went against the status quo. They actually stood up for truth as they saw it or as Jehovah showed it to them. You cannot do that within the confines of the organization. What is it that you read story after story on here about that the elders ask you if you express doubts? It seems to be, "do you still believe that this is the one true religion?". Well, I believe that it is one religion, and that it has some truth in it, but no, it isn't the only religion with truth as a component. What we were taught wasn't all true either, see the many predictions that fell through to give way to "new light". It also has some very toxic components to it and the organization seems to have become bigger than actual truth. But if you are one that sees it, people will condemn you. It is a lonely place to be, but I've always marched to the beat of my own drummer, so be it.