how in the world did they justify this torture?
imagine the children forced to sit in the summer heat at yankee stadium for 12 hours a day.
for 8 days.
We drove from California to NY to attend the International convention in 1958. We camped out on the way there and back. That was the fun part as I was only 12 at the time. But sitting in the heat for 8 days hearing boring talks was in my opinion child abuse.
Also attended the 1963 8 day convention at the Rose Bowl. I was 17 at the time. But sitting for 12 hours in the heat for 8 days listening to boring talks was teenager abuse.
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wishing everyone a happy resurrection sunday.... from my family to yours!.
Cofty your JW is showing.
i am curious if my observations are correct.
i noticed alot of exjws end up majoring in the social sciences.
i am also interested in what educational choices people have made either while fading or while completely out.
this topic has come up many times before on this forum and others but i think its worthy to reevaluate where and how this problem exists from an analytical perspective within the jw religion.
it is obvious that the wts has been covering up situations of child sexual abuse with careless irresponsible apathy for decades toward both possible victims and potentially identified perpetrators of this socially repugnant crime.
following guidelines as written in the bible which were emulated and exploited as a self protecting guideline to protect the outward image of the organization overall in spite of known acknowledgement that pedophilia is a serious crime in most countries.
You mention some interesting possibilities, Sabin, regarding the Watchtower's coverup of child abuse in their ranks. I agree that something is being missed. Perhaps JW child abuse is much more common within their congregations than with the general population.
its the begining of the end for jws in exjw websites i have found all these branch headquaters have closed down.
ireland.
estonia.
Probably not the beginning of the end for JWism. But at least the end of the beginning.
i wasn't sure how this would be handled since the elders haven't harassed me as much as a lot of others have gotten, plus we live a ways outside of the territory so i figured there was a shot they'd leave me alone since it's inconvenient.
guess not.
two elders showed up unannounced toward the end of their recruiting shift.
During the 16 years that I've lived at my present address, the JWs have been by just two times. A couple of years ago two JWs came by looking for deaf people. Last year we weren't home when they stopped by, but they left a tract.
So maybe this month they will come by with an invite.
at the last assembly i attended in 2005 the cost was $11,000 per day in yuba city (just over two hours away from our circuit).
this always seemed a bit high for a facility that was built on donated land and whose construction loan had been paid off for 20 years.. i just looked up the cost to rent the redding civic center, which is just as nice if not nicer and a whole lot closer for our circuit, and it only costs $2,500 a day plus $250 for consumables (parking included).
if it would save the brother's and sister's $8,250 a day and they could have the assembly locally why wouldn't they do it?.
Looks like a number of us on this forum attended CAs at the Yuba City AH. Originally our congregation was assigned to the Freemont AH, which was only an hour drive from home. But then in 75 or 76 we were transferred to YC AH, a 2 1/2 hr drive. So we had the additional expense of a motel room.
Can't say that I have any fond memories of the place. Though I do remember that a group of JW teenagers got bored during the talks and went outside and dismantled the watering system. That was a hot topic at our next elders meeting.
the longer i am away from the cult, the more very childish and downright silly it seems in many many ways.. just another example of the childlike way they do not think things through is their obsession with "not bringing reproach on jehovah's name", that concept was used to stop jw's doing all sorts of stuff, a lot of it quite normal.. but the worst aspect of this concept is that they cover up the evil within their org any way they can.. yet they only have to look back on all the cover-ups of the past, by other religions, by politicians etc etc to see that an open acknowledgement and an open dealing with the situation at the time is far better.. cover-ups get exposed in the end, and leave you looking far worse than if dealt with honestly..
If the JWs are so concerned about bringing reproach upon Jehovah's name, then perhaps they should change the name of their religion. Drop the name Jehovah's Witnesses and go back to being called Bible Students or some other innocuous title.
we have several examples in the forum showing that president knorr was not a loving and caring person; one that impressed me was the one about the elderly bethelite that was put out on the streets until his death due to a disagreement with knorr.
i bring to your attention an incident that happened in the country of honduras back in the 50s, it has to do with immoral conduct by a branch overseer and his subsequent disfellowshiping.
i am not critical of the end result of his conduct but rather the salacious and detailed report of this matter putting in the open the details for the whole world to see.
Barbara Grizzuti Harrison mentions the Charles De Wilda episode at Bethel and the missionary's suicide in her book VISIONS OF GLORY--A History and Memory of Jehovah's Witnesses.
Barbara Harrison served at Bethel during the time that the incidents took place and has written an excellent memoir confirming Bill Cetnar's account.
last night,my wife and i went to my cousins funeral memorial service.it wasn't as bad as i thought it was going to be.they had two video screens with pictures of my cousin from a baby to the end of his life.they stopped playing as soon as the service started and the screens were raised out of the way.. the family and close relatives arrived one hour earlier to find seats near the front rows and have a little family time.. there was a mystery man that was seated near the front with a tablet,a jw.org pin on his suit jacket and just sat there writing on his tablet the whole time without greeting anyone or even speaking.. does anyone know who this man could be?
was he sent by the society to make sure everything went well?.
Maybe the elder giving the funeral talk is suspected of being an "apostate" and his BOE sent someone, unknown to those in attendance, to monitor the talk to make sure it was orthodox JWism and not infiltrated with "apostate lies."
