Read it back in 1973 when I was still a JW and an elder. Though I found Schnell's book interesting, it didn't have the wake up effect like Crisis of Conscience. I first read C Of C in March 1984 and six months later I resigned as an elder and began my fade.
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Thirty years a tower slave
by rickroll ini was with my brother in law when we were in service and given this book.
i have posted on this before but it got me to thinking.
it was taken from us by the local elder we talk to about it.
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“You know how I know that they're finished out there? The carts.”
by Athanasius inthe watchtower's many legal problems and the jws' use of carts in their preaching work, reminded me of a scene and dialog from the film patton.. in a scene where patton is viewing a battle site the morning after, he says to an aide about the nazis: “you know how i know that they're finished out there?
in my dreams i saw the carts.
they kept buzzing around in my head and i couldn't figure out why.
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The Watchtower's many legal problems and the JWs' use of carts in their preaching work, reminded me of a scene and dialog from the film PATTON.
In a scene where Patton is viewing a battle site the morning after, he says to an aide about the Nazis: “You know how I know that they're finished out there? The carts. They're using carts to lug their supplies and wounded. In my dreams I saw the carts. They kept buzzing around in my head and I couldn't figure out why. Then I remembered: the nightmare in the snow -- the endless, agonizing retreat from Moscow. God the cold! The wounded, and what was left of the supplies, were thrown into carts. Napoleon was finished.”
Now it seems that the Watchtower is doing the same. The JWs are loading their literature, supplies, the old and the sick on to carts. The old and sick JWs then sit there silently minding the carts. The physically healthy JWs who accompany the carts are in retreat, talking among themselves rather than make an effort to do any preaching.
Of course this doesn't mean the JW religion will suddenly collapse. But it does indicate that they are beginning the fade into insignificance.
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FAKE-NEWS.JW.ORG
by lastmanstanding inthe current “news” on jw.borg.
https://www.jw.org/en/news/legal/.
look closely at he picture of “russian” police breaking in to what appears to be a utility shed.. first, you’d have to be a complete moron to believe anything you see.. the “police” are shown using a garden pic to open a door.
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The link to the Tomsk police press release that Corney first posted didn't mention the JWs. So there was a legitimate question as to which extremist group the police were investigating.
However, the link to the Russian news broadcast that Corney provided today, does identify the group interrogated by police as being the JWs. While this tells us the identity of the religious organization in question, one does have to ask why it took Corney almost six days to provide the answer. -
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FAKE-NEWS.JW.ORG
by lastmanstanding inthe current “news” on jw.borg.
https://www.jw.org/en/news/legal/.
look closely at he picture of “russian” police breaking in to what appears to be a utility shed.. first, you’d have to be a complete moron to believe anything you see.. the “police” are shown using a garden pic to open a door.
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My wife is Russian, so I had her translate the information on the website that Corney provided.
What is interesting about the Russian news report and the videos that accompany it, is that there is no mention of the JWs. The article and the video of the Russian policewoman just mention an extremist group with extremist literature. So I viewed the video of the police examining the confiscated material expecting to see Watchtower magazines and books. But I didn't see anything that could really identify this group as being JWs. If I missed something please correct me.
If the group in the video were JWs, it seems strange that the news report would fail to mention them by name.
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Don't count on witnessing Watchtower's demise anytime soon.
by Roger Kirkpatrick inthe fact that there are pomi ex-jws who have been disfellowshiped or inactive for years who still live in constant fear of armageddon indicates that watchtower will manage to exist in one way or another for years, if not decades, to come.
watchtower, like all other religious cults, operate on the premise that "you can fool some of the people all of the time...and that's enough!
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Though I left the JWs 35 years ago, I doubt that things in the local congregations have improved much since then. But when I was Service Overseer, I noted that in our congregation of 95 publishers, only 10% were turning in 10 or more hours per month. 20% were reporting 5 to 9 hours each month. 70% were reporting 1 to 4 hours.
The hardcore 10% were actually reporting 60% of the congregations hours. Of the 12 teens in the congregation, 10 were just putting in an hour or two until they were able to leave home and leave the religion. So if this is typical of JW congregations today, I'd say that of the 8 million JWs reported by the Watchtower, less than one million are hardcore. Five million are just coasting, and of that 5 mil, over 800,000 are just putting in time until they can leave home and leave the JWs.
Again my observations are based on my experiences serving as an elder in the 1980s. Perhaps things are different in the Borg these days.
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Ravenna Kingdom Hall
by Lynnie inanother kingdom hall sold off in seattle.
this kingdom hall has been around forever but it's in a very desirable location in seattle by green lake so i'm sure there will be lots of $$.
lots of merging of halls here in the puget sound area..
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Hopefully the Watchtower will use the money from the KH sale to get better actors for their videos.
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New convention video
by Olig inso i've just seen a snippet of a new convention release, and it's obviously a reenactment (bloody poor one - look at the state of the disposable beards lol!
) of bible times.. the chap speaking is heard saying if your family members turn away and serve false gods, you should kill them!.
https://twitter.com/jfnilsen/status/1133000862719270912?s=09.
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Something tells me that the production of these videos cost the Watchtower a few bucks. Stage setup, props, soundtrack, etc. doesn't come cheap. Perhaps this is part of the reason why more money is going out of Watchtower coffers than is coming in.
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Are there any JW songs that you HATE?
by neat blue dog inyou're probably thinking 'all of them', and it's true that the songbook is riddled with wrong stuff .
but are there any songs in particular that irk your moral sensibilities?.
for me it would be song #26, "you did it for me".
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Some of the old JW song books contained Christian hymns in which the lyrics had been changed to fit Watchtower theology. I think that they admitted this when they introduced the "baby sh_t brown" song book in the 1980s, as it supposedly contained only JW lyrics and music.
But like others have mentioned, the new songs were lifeless and hard to sing.
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Do You See JWs Going From House to House Anymore?
by minimus ini used to see them in my neighborhood or while driving.
there is a hispanic congregation nearby.
i used to see witnesses out all the time, some even doing the slow pioneer shuffle.
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I retired ten years ago, so my wife and I are usually home during the week and weekends. JWs stopped by only two times during this time. Once they left a brochure, as we weren't home. The second time a thirty something JW, possibly a Mini-Serve, asked if we had any deaf persons in our household. Since both my wife and I have excellent hearing, I told him no. I guess he wasn't interested in talking with people who can hear well, as he thanked me for my time and quickly departed.
Other than that, I haven't seen the JWs working our neighborhood, even though there are two congregations within five miles.
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Do You Think The Obama Administration Should Be Investigated For How They Treated The Trump Accusations?
by minimus ini hope that the trump administration looks into obama , clinton and all the other players for trying to usurp the legitimacy of the trump presidency..
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Perhaps the leftists and rightists who want to debate politics can visit political forums and leave this site free to discuss the problems facing the JW and ex-JW communities.