Athanasius

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  The Protect the Children Sham

  by HildaBingen in

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  once upon a time there was an evil antagonist of god named ha satan.

  this evildoer thought of many ways to make worldlings oppose god's covenant people.

  he finally got a bright idea.

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  Athanasius

  Hi Hilda,

  Thanks for being so prompt in replying to my questions. I take it that the Watch Tower has a CD that has the comments on Hans Kung. Where would I get this CD? Can it be ordered from the Watch Tower site?

  Regarding your mystic beliefs, have you read any of Charles T. Russell's works, especially his 1886 book THE DIVINE PLAN OF THE AGES and his later (1889) THY KINGDOM COME? Though the present Watch Tower management has let all of Russell's works go out of print, his books can still be obtained from several small publishing houses. If you are interested, Amazon.com probably has them in stock.

  Though Russell founded the Watch Tower publishing house, on his death it was taken over by Joseph F. Rutherford, an unsuccessful Populist-Democrat politician/attorney. Rutherford had a political agenda which is why he banished most of Russell's teachings. Rutherford scorned democracy because of his failed attempts to achieve public office in Missouri. That is why he turned the Watch Tower organization into a virtual dictatorship with him in the leadership role. This organizational structure is still in place over the Jehovah's Witnesses and is the main reason why the pedephile problem has become such a prominent issue.

  I am sure that you agree that child molestation is a problem in all organizations, religious and secular. But the real issue is how it is dealth with by the leadership. Several decades back my Church had a problem similar to the one currently facing your church. But the General Convention made up of clergy and lay-delegates from all the parrishes in the country put in place a policy of no tolerance for child molestation. Your church should do the same. Have your clergy and lay-representatives meet in General Convention to iron out these problems. Let the discussion be open and free so that the those most affected, the victims, have a chance to voice their concerns. You can find the Scriptural precedent in the first Jerusalem Council, discussed in the ACTS OF THE APOSTLES, by St. Luke.

  I hope these suggestions have been helpful to you, and I trust that you will take these issues up with your local Jehovah's Witness clergy and the National leadership. Perhaps you will be instrumental in reforming the Jehovah's Witness Church and bring it back to a Scriptural mooring.

  Sincerely,

  Athanasius
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  The Protect the Children Sham

  by HildaBingen in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  once upon a time there was an evil antagonist of god named ha satan.

  this evildoer thought of many ways to make worldlings oppose god's covenant people.

  he finally got a bright idea.

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  Athanasius

  Greetings Hilda,

  How do you reconcile your Mystic beliefs with current Watch Tower doctrine?

  Sincerely,

  Athanasius
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  The Protect the Children Sham

  by HildaBingen in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  once upon a time there was an evil antagonist of god named ha satan.

  this evildoer thought of many ways to make worldlings oppose god's covenant people.

  he finally got a bright idea.

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  Athanasius

  Hi Hilda,

  It seems that you are the most prolific poster these days. You seem to be everywhere so it is impossible to miss a comment or two of yours. However, I noted in your earlier posts that you claimed to be a Christian Mystic, independent of the Watch Tower, defending the Jehovah's Witnesses. Yet today you have admitted to being a Jehovah's Witness in complete agreement with Watch Tower policy. So would I be correct in saying that you are a Jehovah's Witness Mystic?

  As a Mystic, were you greatly influenced by Madam Blavatsky's THE SECRET DOCTRINE? I would enjoy hearing your comments on Madam Blavatsky's most important work.

  Sincerely,

  Athanasius
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  JW Justifies Societies Pedophiles

  by DakotaRed in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  below is a link to a site by who i believe to be along time jw and an article he has written basically justifying the watchtowers stance on the pedophile issue.

  the gist of it i got was that since there is so much more of it in other religions, it isn't all that bad within the jws.

  what a pity they won't open their eyes;.

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  Athanasius

  Greetings Hilda,

  You seem to be a prolific writer. However, I was curious about one comment that you made about Hans Kung. Did I understand you to say that the Watch Tower commented about his conflict with the Church and that they disagreed with his approach? If this is true, could you please provide a reference to the exact Watch Tower publication that you are citing?

  I also find it curious that in your posts that you pronounce the Divine Name as Yahweh in place of Jehovah. Do you agree with most scholars that Yahweh is the correct form to use?

  Did I understand your post correctly, that you are a Christian Mystic? If true, what is your opinion of Madam Blavatsky's THE SECRET DOCTRINE?

  Sincerely,

  Athanasius
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  Bill, in newspapers everywhere....

  by Cassiline in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  even in my small "bfe" town.

  thanks for giving a voice to silentlambs everywhere!!!.

  http://members.aol.com/cassilines/myhomepage/witnesses4.jpg?mtbrand=aol_us.

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  Athanasius

  Bill was also on the national CBS Radio News this morning. I heard him on KCBS radio San Francisco at 7:00 a. m. during the CBS National News Headlines. I think the Watch Tower really shot itself in the foot this time. How do you think people would react if the Roman Catholic Church started Excommunicating the victims of their pedophile priests? The Watch Tower can't get away with it either.

  Sincerely,

  Athanasius
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  what movie, gave you the creeps and why?

  by LyinEyes in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i was just wondering if you have a movie or some movies that have given you the creeps.

  did you see it as a jw or after?

  do you watch " demonized " movies now?

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  Athanasius

  I saw CANDYMAN back in 1992 with my girlfriend. It really freaked her out. Anytime one of the cast would say Candyman 5 times facing a mirror the Candyman would materialize and slash someone. It was a very scary movie.

  Athanasius
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  What does your ID or Nick say about you?

  by LyinEyes in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  someone replied to a post i entered and got me thinking what others perceive about us due to the nicks or id we have chosen.

  some of the nicks i am sure are just self explanatory , others are cute, or simple.

  although i suspect that very many in this room,took time to think of theirs and definitly the nick holds some little secret as to who they are as a person.

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  Athanasius

  I chose the name Athanasius to irritate the JWs. In Church history Athansius was the champion of Christian Orthodoxy against Arian heresy at the Council of Nicea in the 4th century A. D.

  Athanasius
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  *** Dateline ****

  by FairMinded in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  does anyone has an update to the dateline piece?

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  Athanasius

  The constant delays on the part of Dateline for the airing of the JW pedophile segment may indicate that the Watch Tower has more political clout than the Roman Catholic Church. That is a matter of great concern.

  Sincerely,

  Athanasius
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  i went to the memorial

  by josephus in

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  2. friends

  it was great.. me and my freinds + brother stood at the back with our dffd freind talking, smiling and laughing at the po.. we then went to the pub, and go drunk.. brill.. josephus

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  Athanasius

  I also missed the Memorial. Had planned to attend and have a cracker and a shot of wine. Unfortunately the CEO of my company died of a sudden heartattack and his memorial service was tonight at the same time the dubs were having their black mass.

  Will try to attend the JW Memorial next year.

  Athanasius
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  Could the Society buy it's way out of exposure?

  by TweetieBird in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  reading another thread about pedophiles and dateline, the thought occured to me that maybe the society would buy some advertising from nbc with the stipulation that nothing negative be aired about them.

  is that possible?

  i've always been from the school that money can buy anything!

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  Athanasius

  Dear Tweetie,

  You have raised an interesting question. Does the Watch Tower have more political clout than the Roman Catholic Church? In view of their size the problem of child abuse may be more rampant among the Witnesses than the Catholics. Yet the media quickly focuses in on the Catholic Church while ignoring the Witnesses. Perhaps if this was brought to the attention of the media moguls they would be more balanced in their presentation.

  Sincerely,

  Athanasius