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  What would it take to turn the military from a cult to a religion?

  by XQsThaiPoes in

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  it is a part 2 to my "what makes a cult a 'cult'?

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  so what would it take to trun the marines for example from a military cult to a mainstream religion.

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  but in current times there have been notable exceptions to your "rule"

  I agree and I tried to make room for this exception when I stated
  

  There are exceptions...like when there is an individual who charismatically steps out and ahead to create a new movement.

  In general, movements are not born from within the military. True, the American military takes the oath...but there is always the exceptional individual man/soldier that is lurking, who if charismatic enough could turn the tide (for good or bad depending on your perspective). In the case of the Communist coup, the days of that movement were numbered by that time and the handwriting was on the wall and the military saw/felt it in there hearts and minds as individuals and ultimately as a whole. This is the place in the military where the leader(s) (ie Gorbachev) of any movement have to strike if what they propose is going to have any success...they have to win over the military. At that point depending on the strength of the movement, this new movement (in some cases what could be labeled a glorified cult) have the unquestioning support of the military...until the next one comes along.

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  Why, oh why, didn't I take the blue pill....

  by mkr32208 in

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  do any of you have the matrix wish i could just forget all this attitude sometimes?

  me and the wife were fightitng again and she asked why i can't just go back and pretend or just forget all this... she said as an athnostic you either don't belive in god or don't believe that god cares so why can't you just go and fake it... i was dumbfounded i ask her why can't you just get the f*ck out and stop faking it... she stormed out and i sat down here..... so i ask ya, if you could forget all the negatives about the wbts (i know thats a lot) and just go back like nothing had ever happened would you?

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  Sometimes.

  I agree. You cant truly go back once you know what you know. But who knows where the WT will be yrs. from now. I'm glad I know what I know now and not be forced to see/realize it 20 yrs from now..that would be sad.

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  What would it take to turn the military from a cult to a religion?

  by XQsThaiPoes in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  it is a part 2 to my "what makes a cult a 'cult'?

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  so what would it take to trun the marines for example from a military cult to a mainstream religion.

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  I wasnt really speaking of W in particular, but more about the role of any military, which is unquestioning support. My point is that generally movements or cults are not born from the military as a whole. There are exceptions...like when there is an individual who charismatically steps out and ahead to create a new movement.

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  WILL THE WT APOLOGIZE- LIKE THE CATHOLIC DID???

  by JT in

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  2. friends

  last evening we went out with 2 other former jw couples a couple of guys and their wives i knew from the old days of bethel.

  we were discussing the public apology that the catholic church just authorized to be made to the child abuse victims for their cases being mishandled as well as that $100 million dollar check they just cut.. .

  and i will ask you all the same question .

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  I dont think its possible. I dont think they can even form the words to say a simple "We're sorry". Some dysfuntional parents have this same 'disorder' when it comes to apologizing to there children for past mistakes, they simply do not have it in them. So even more I would imagine when you speak for god....

  I remember having to write those 6 statements down. I was amazed that there were no questions about this. I knew then that I would be making my exit from that role...way too much liability.

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  What would it take to turn the military from a cult to a religion?

  by XQsThaiPoes in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  it is a part 2 to my "what makes a cult a 'cult'?

  " thread.

  so what would it take to trun the marines for example from a military cult to a mainstream religion.

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  Usually the military has no creativity on its own. It is simply used as an arm of support for an existing movement or one that is about to emerge. It is the charismatic, the fanatic and the man of action that is the creator of a cult, movement or what have you. The purpose of any military is basically mindless and unquestioning support of an existing or emerging movement. Hoffer's "True Believer" is an great book that outlines the process of the creation of a mass movement (which when carried so far becomes for all intensive purposes 'a religion' and what could be defined in some cases as a cult) and the roles of each that and played out within it, including the military.

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  Prince Says...............

  by professor in

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  "you can live forever (and that's a mighty long time) in paradise on earth!".

  is he baptized yet?

  it would get him a lot closer to being an ex-jw and then maybe we could talk to him here!

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  Still lots of disbelief here. It occurs to me that Prince is not allowed to speak to me because I'm bad association and might spoil his useful habits!

  LOL!...i agree totally. Isn't life ironic?

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  Is It More Important to You to "Love" or Be "Loved"?

  by pettygrudger in

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  although both are important parts of human existence, they are not mutually inclusive.

  is it more important to you to feel "love" for others or to know you're "loved" by others?

  i think the answer to that question sometimes dictates our actions as human beings..

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  Without feeling loved, I don't think you can love.

  I think that there could be no better feeling than truly feeling loved for who you are. One thing does seem to feed the other. Based on my past experience and a realization of what it truly means, I am now beginning to wonder if I even have the capacity to love.

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  Poems anyone?

  by Thunder Rider in

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  natures way .

  crimson tears drift earthward on a cold wind from the north.

  boughs and branches shed them with their movements back and forth.

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  Axelspeed

  Mr. Moldmakerman
  

  Preacherman say if I aint chasin his brand o' savior
  I'd be pitched from the pearlies out on m' posterior
  If I didn't show up in the walls five times a week
  I'd have no taste r part of blessins fer the meek
  He say the Good Book aint fer understandin by me
  That be his work, t'aint fer me to disagree
  That's right, that's what he say
  
  Painterman say if I can't paint inside the lines
  With 'Casso and that Michaelangelo I'll never dine
  See he done been trained by the finest on that ther art
  On this here subject I aint got nuthin to impart
  Tells me art sho nuf aint bout heart and feeling
  It be about makin mirrors even if t'aint soul healing
  That's right, that's what he say
  
  Politicianman say if I don't vote his gangs way
  Country and my chillen's chillin sho nuf gonna pay
  Says to trust him to luv'em just as much as me
  Admits I thinks on it, "he do got that ther degree"
  Tells me he knows pockets n ideals best fer me
  Just send in this here proxy, n I can set ma mind free
  That's right, that's what he say
  
  Invites Mr. Moldmakerman in fer a sit down n tea
  Whils I listen this here 'Chaikovsky, he pretty good ya see
  Tells a joke guess meant be funny fer country folk like us
  Hope no feelins hurt, tween you n me was kinda silly but aint no fuss
  Woulda been more obligin' with a ring thats all
  Sunday mornin's the time for me n the lady's own lord's call
  That's right, that's what I's a thinkin
  
  Moldmakerman scratch and shake the head says okay
  Say I just too much work n tried s'plainin me away
  Said I wudn't up to standard with good country folk sights
  Called me aberrations and waht not n thats just not right
  Says I was too much work n said his goodbyes
  I thinks he was scared when he looked thru his eyes
  Said he might be back, next time with entourage
  Me thinks maybe fraid his reality was only a mirage
  "Misplaced by all Mr. Moldmakerman's men"
  That's right, that's what I think

  Axelspeed
  Copyright 2004

  This poem is actually extracted from a much larger essay I wrote under a similar title.
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  Conference in October coming up-check speakers!

  by Dogpatch in

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  host: richard rawe.

  event_name: conference.

  address: church of god, faith of abraham.

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  I see that Greg Stafford is one of the scheduled speakers...I admire his courage. I find the WTs non-action thus far interesting to say the least. It will be interesting as to how his whole situation plays out and when/if the WT decides to respond.

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  Were There Any Scriptures or Understandings That U Just Couldn't Comprehend

  by minimus in

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  i never could explain why god "allowed" solomon to have a number of wives and concubines yet he never even got a reprimand!

  or why birthdays are forbidden but anniverseries aren't.....what about you?

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  Great ones already, here are a couple of more...

  Why Adam and Eve, with perfect bodies and perfect reproductive organs, did not in all the years in the garden produce one single child that would have also been perfect. Why was it only after they messed up did they begin to reproduce? Did they not get a clue from the animals? Or was this some cruel plan?

  Why God could prophesy thru Jonah about Ninevah being destroyed...and then change his mind after they listened. Was it a prophecy or not? When exactly does God choose to use his ability to see the future to prophesy...and is this a form of predestination? And if the future can already be known if he chooses to do so, then what is this charade all about then? ...go ahead and do with me what u will..

  Axelspeed