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  have elders ever been sued successfully?

  by silentWatcher in

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  quote: what i am waiting for is one of their rank and file elders to get sued over this issue and some of the hospital liaison puppets to lose everything he owns because of it.

  this point was brought up in the "big news has started" thread (and is now buried on page 3).

  interesting point, and i wonder if anyone has ever heard of a case where elders have been successfully sued over judicial matters (slander / libel) or wrongful death (blood)?

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  TallTexan

  there are many elders who do what they do because they truly believe that it is the right thing, that they are acting on behalf of God's organization

  As the Nuremburg trials illustrated, doing something immoral is not justified by 'following orders' or believing in a misguided ideal. I have heard serveral elders and ex-elders state that at times they did things they felt were neither right nor just in regards to judiciary matters. But, they did what they were 'advised' to do by the Society. If individual elders were sued, regardless of their motives, then they may think twice about df'ing someone, or possibly about being elders at all.

  The hard thing about suing over things like this is that the legal system views it as a 'you know the rules, either play by them or leave' situation. They assume you were aware when you became a JW what the rules were, so you must follow them. If you don't like them, then leave the org. Proving mental anguish and that type of thing is very difficult as well, so that may be difficult to sue over.

  I want to see a civil suit brought by someone who was molested by a brother after someone else reported it and they were let off the hook because there weren't two witnesses. I want to see a civil suit by a JW who claims they didn't take blood based on info in the blood brochure and prove that it was misquoted and/or taken out of context and thus led to injury or death.
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  Watchtower exposed - video

  by truth_about_the_truth in

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  this looks kind of dated but it's really good..

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  TallTexan

  Excellent video. A little old. Did you notice how smug the two (I presume they are elders) they interview at the convention are?

  Makes me mad all over again....
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  DO YOU REALLY BELIEVE THAT JESUS FORGIVES ADULTERERS?!!!

  by LittleToe in

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  omg, i believe he did!.

  john 8:1-11. i wonder if he had that attitude towards other people that the bible took a moral stance against?.

  omg, i believe he did that too!!!.

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  INteresting that in John 8 he didn't tell her "O.k...you're forgiven, but we can't speak to you for a period of months until we feel that you're REALLY repentant."
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  Help!!

  by mamabear in

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  i have been df'd for 10 years and decided today that i want to be undisfellowshiped.

  i don't want to be reinsted, obviously.

  i am meeting with the elders on sunday..

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  TallTexan

  As I see it, you want to simply return to the state of someone who was never baptized. Not active, but not dissed either. Uh, I don't think it works that way. Once you've been dissed, you either have to get reinstated or remain df'd, with all the privileges that implies...lol.

  My biggest question is 'why'? You've been out this long, you probably know from the boards what a destructive cult it is - just leave it alone. Be happy you're out.....
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  Symbolic generation. Does it extend batting time for WTBTS?

  by Spectrum in

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  before coming on this forum i didn't know that the jws had changed the generation definition from literal to symbolic and i obviously predicted that this religion will be finished when that last 1914 codger dies.

  when i found out that they had changed their definition i thought, bloody hell this religion is going to go on forever.

  then i thought that no, they are going to fade out, then i settled on, they are going to survive just like the catholics and orthodox.

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  TallTexan

  Some people need a regimented structured life style and JWism offers that aplenty.

  I can't agree more. I work with people like that (I'm sure we all do) who must be and like to be told what to do every step of the way. They lack independent thinking and don't want the pressure of having to make decisions and analyze information.

  Some people want to find the 'easy' way to salvation. "Do this and you'll be saved" they are told, so they do 'this' - whatever it is - in hopes of garnering sure salvation. They don't want to study the Bible on their own, or interpret scriptures. They are mentally lazy to an extent - they can memorize the reasonings of others (FDS), but that does not make them mentally astute.

  Thus when you present evidence to the contrary, they are afraid to listen, because then they will have to think and decide on their own.

  I agree with a post a few days ago where someone stated that the JW's are being 'dumbed down' because the truly critical thinkers are jumping ship, leaving the 'repeaters' of information they truly don't understand.
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  Warriors and Wusses

  by badwillie in

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  from the los angeles times

  joel stein warriors and wussesjoel stein.

  january 24, 2006. .

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  TallTexan

  From L.A....big surprise...maybe he and that genius Sean Penn have been hanging out again talking politics.

  I guess getting rid of an anti-American, terrorist-supporting (and come on - do you really have ANY doubts that he was more than happy to help ANYONE who was willing to do harm to this country) dictator is not in the best interests of this country? A dictator who most likely either a) shipped off his WMD or b) hid them in the vast Iraqi desert. Oh, I forgot - according to the news he didn't have them. Really? He used them on his own people and on Iran 15-20 years ago. I guess he, what, mellowed out in his old age and didn't try to advance his ability to wage war on everyone around him? Sounds plausible....

  I guess ridding millions of people of the terror of random torture, rape, execution and chemical genocide is not a worthy cause. Maybe it doesn't affect my life, or yours, but that still does not make it 'wrong' just because Iraq is a poor country that will not benefit us in any way.

  But then I guess if you take what the mass (liberal) media says at face value then perhaps you have skewed opinion of not only the war, but how the men fighting it feel about it. I've talked to upwards of a hundred returning active duty and reservists who as a whole are extremely unhappy with the way the media slants the war. They mostly feel good about what they did and state that the Iraqi people as a whole were extremely grateful and hospitable. Sure, there are some dissenters, but that's to be expected. These men and women do not feel that they were deceived. They all believed when they signed up (many after 9/11) that they would be fighting in the Middle East and that is why they signed up.

  I support them because they are doing something that I am unable to do. I find it disturbing that someone would write an article this short-sighted and so obviously lacking in factual basis.
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  Uzbekistan increases fines for unregistered religious activityincludes JWs

  by candidlynuts in

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  uzbekistan: massive fine increases introduced .

  by igor rotar, forum 18 news service .

  released one hour ago.... .

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  Well, at least Uzbekistanians (?) Uzbekis(?) Uzbekistanis (?) can have some marginal protection from being introduced to a cult....
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  Whose been ripped off financially by his JW brother?

  by Spectrum in

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  i posted this in another thread but it is more relevant here.

  i worked for jw doing back breaking work for a while only to be told by another jw that he was ripping me of - he was paying me half the going rate.

  i was only 17 and naive didn't know anything about the world of work.

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  Honestly, I don't think it's much different than in the secular world. There are good and bad employees, honest and dishonest businessmen. But then, I guess that's the point - it SHOULD be different and we were told repeatedly how DIFFERENT we were, but the truth is that is simply not the case.

  My ex-father in-law owned several contracting/construction related businesses. He got the point that he was very reticent about hiring JW's for many of the reasons mentioned already. One thing he had a real beef with was, even though he was a pretty staunch JW, that his JW employees would spend half their time trying to 'informal witness' to their co-workers - and even count their time while he was paying them to work. They seemed to think that just because he was a JW that he wouldn't care. He had many JW's file worker's comp on questionable cases. One brother he hired had a previous injury but was given a job because he was in need. He ended up repaying that kindness by claiming that his injury happened on his current job and actually sued my ex-father in-law over his worker's comp.

  I guess in all the Bible-quoting that the JW's do, they forget the scripture "neither a borrower nor a lender be"....I've seen a number of cases where JW's lent money to other JW's and it turned out badly. Not a good idea. Of course, for the most part, friendships and lending money aren't a good coupling....
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  Osama: How You Like Me Now?

  by prophecor in

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  osama bin laden says he's willing to call a truce.

  bush administration says, " in a pigs eye, kiss @$$ !!!

  is he manipulating the situation to his advantage, or does america have him on the run?

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  TallTexan

  After the hounding that Clinton and the Democrats took for 8 years, what do the Republicans expect?

  Just goes to show that they are all fallible and make mistakes. But in all fairness, Clinton dodged a LOT of publicity for things that GW would have been nailed to the wall for....I guess being the poster-child of the liberal media has it's advantages....most of the heat Clinton took was from conservative talk-radio - not the national media.
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  Osama: How You Like Me Now?

  by prophecor in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  osama bin laden says he's willing to call a truce.

  bush administration says, " in a pigs eye, kiss @$$ !!!

  is he manipulating the situation to his advantage, or does america have him on the run?

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  TallTexan

  Please remember that not all Republicans are stupid, but all stupid people are Republicans.

  Oh..o.k...whatever you say..<eyeroll>