Posts by dorayakii

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do JWs believe in dinosaurs?

by tsunami_rid3r in

the bible doesnt mention them at all.

so what the hell?

dorayakii

dinosaurs... from the Greek " deinos" meaning "terrible" and " sauron" meaning "lizard"...

an elder gave a talk once and said that Jehovah created them to fertilise the earth but Jehovah made them extint before Adam was created... but in the same talk the brother said that they had been destroyed at the flood along with the mammouth and the DODO (sic.) because Jehovah could only fit a certain number of animals into the ark... he obviously needed to brush up on his prehistoric as well as V ictorian history...

dorayakii of the "evil linguistic prescriptionist" class...

(now ain't that a tongue twister?)

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do JWs believe in dinosaurs?

by tsunami_rid3r in

the bible doesnt mention them at all.

so what the hell?

dorayakii

Katie, Midwich, quit being querulous

Iggy... querulising?!?!?...seriously, you're treading on seriously dangerous waters here... don't get me started again...

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Do you have any 'holdover' beliefs?

by AllAlongTheWatchtower in

after reading and responding recently to a post about eating pork and clean and unclean meats, and also a few about newfound freedoms and pleasures that some enjoy now that they are out of the jws, i got to wondering if there is anything like that on the flip side of the coin.

in other words, despite you leaving the wts, is there anything you still believe that they taught, even though you left or were forced out, and no longer believe the rest of the jw doctrine?.

i was never a jw, but i was raised in a rather similar group called the worldwide church of god, many of the controls, strictures, and abuses that i saw as a child there, i see posted about here-though they are different, they are also the same.

dorayakii

I've still not voted and i'm sure that i'd feel slightly uncomfortable doing it, because i don't trust politicians and it really disturbs me that my vote may bring them into power and allow them to go to war, as Blair did in Iraq... for the same reason i will never join the army of my free will and in my present conscience...

The thought of eating blood, for example in a sausage, still freaks me out, as i'm on the verge of becoming a vegetarien. So does the thought of having someone's ~~life force~~ blood injected into my veins... but then again so does having an immunisatory injection, its not necessarily the fear of the actual blood... visiting my dentist and having my tonsils taken out produce the same reaction in me.

I don't smoke because i hate the smell and can't stand the breath of people who do...

I still feel uneasy about seeing the Cross or any other christian symbols anywhere, as its still associated with the evil "whore of Babylon the Great" in my subconscious... but then again, as i lean more towards atheism, my distain for all organised religion causes me to class all religions and sects in this subconscious category.

I never have believed in demons even when i was mentally captive to the WT, and so seeing a film that features wizardry or spiritism never bothers me... although i'm a pacifist in real life, blood, gore and violence on screen doesn't bother me. However i am conscious that children may copy things seen on TV or in films, so i feel uneasy when i'm at the cinema watching such a film in an audience of young people.

I've celebrated a couple birthdays, eaten easter eggs, given money to trick-or-treaters on hallowe'en, and burnt a Guy on the 5th of November. I've also opened my door to carrol singers and listened to their beautiful voices (which i never even NOTICED as a dub). I've eaten a christmas meal, had an xmas party and done some xmas shopping all without any pangs of the old ~~bible-trained~~ WT-indoctrinated conscience.

I think i've come a long way and have a long way to go, but i think most of my "aversions" will remain with me not as lingering beliefs but for personal pacifistic and atheistic reasons (as well as being a uncommmited vegetarian in the case of eating blood and a downright scaredy-cat in the case of giving blood).

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Why are pigs "unclean" and what does "unclean" mean?

by Elsewhere in

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there are several religions that teach that pork is an "unclean" meat and therefore should be avoided.. what, exactly, does "unclean" mean?

when i think of "unclean" i think of something contaminated by dirt or dangerous bacteria.

is there some other "spiritual" substance in pigs that cannot be detected?.

dorayakii

I have considered that but what leaves me wondering is the fact that these health issues have been resolved are no longer a problem. With that fact in place, why do these religions still enforce the "unclean meat" rule?

Maybe back then they noticed that people who didn't eat pork and shellfish at all didn't catch certain illnesses. They obviously didn't know that the reason was bacterial contamination and not because the meat was superstitiously "unclean". Today, religion just has not caught up with science, so they still enforce the "unclean meat" rule due to superstition and an ignorance of the original meaning of the ban.

For example, during 1665 outbreak of the Plague, many contemporary "experts" thought that the disease was carried by cats and dogs. If the religious leaders had their way back then, maybe the word would have gone out that ALL cats and dogs were "unclean" and that it is now against the law to own one. Obviously, little did they know that the disease was actually carried by a species of flea which lives in the fur of the black rat. If that hypothetical religion was still in existance today, it would probably still forbit the ownership of cats and dogs on the basis that they are "unclean" but without really knowing why, but nonetheless postulating various inadequate theories.

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sect or cult that does not eat pork?

by carla in

any one offhand know of any sect or cult that does not allow it's members to eat pork?

other than jewish.

thanks, carla

dorayakii

I wanna join the "Sunday Horizontalists"... it has a nice ring to it.

As cult leader, will you be providing our "food at the proper time" steveo, or do we have to get off our ass and go to the fridge?

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JW brother stopped by to awfulize about the bombing in London

by homesteader in

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friends

my brother who is a jw (who i helped into the religion when i was a dub) came to my house this morning this morning while we were having breakfast.

the first thing out of his mouth was the bombing in london and how this is the worst bombing since ww11.

then he made the comment "i wonder what this is going to lead to.

dorayakii

...I've just worked out why "awfulise" sounds perfectly normal to me. It's because it's just the same as "trivialise" or "idealise" isn't it? They're both adjective+ise being used as a verb right? So someone stopping by to awfulise could just as easily have stopped by to trivialise or to idealise.

Come on people, let's harmonise and energise, not demonise, rather advertise and prioritise awfulise

hehe, i agree its a perfectly valid word and some people seem to like it... but again i must say that it doesn’t sound right to me.
Firstly, Most (but admittedly not all) "-ise" words are through Greek or Latinate languages like French, which lend themselves more to the suffix. So “ideal” is from Latin "idealis"... “trivial” is from Latin "trivialis" and both can readily take “-ise”... then you have words like “advertise” from French “avertir”, one form of which is “avertissement” meaning “warning” (perhaps originally in the form of a poster).
However, "awful" is from Anglo-Saxon "agheful"…. Normally Anglo-Saxon root words are shorter and more succinct than words from Greek and Latin and they don't readily admit a myriad of suffices ("awful" already has the suffix "-ful")
Secondly, the suffix “-ise” usually means “to make something x” or “to believe that something is x”… therefore "civilise" - "to make something civil", "realise" - "to make something real", etc...
If you really want to be weird and go back to the original meaning of the word “awful” (wonderful, marvellous) then it’s quite possible that homesteader’s JW brother could be “making [the tragedy] a cause of wonder or marvel”.
However, the changed meaning of the word causes a bit of confusion. the word no longer means “wonderful” to most English-speaking ears. (Do your ears speak English??) alt ...... If “awful” is used in its present meaning, “terrible”, then homesteader’s JW brother isn't “making [the tragedy] awful”, what happened on Thursday was already awful (terrible). The word no has no well-known link to its modern meaning, therefore (for most speakers) it takes longer for the brain to parse… and is perceived as nonsensical.
I’m quite a liberal linguist and am in favour of language advancement, so i feel we should adhere to certain rules when coining new words but i also feel that we shouldn’t go backwards in time and re-adopt this word’s defunct ancient meaning, in a new form.

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JW brother stopped by to awfulize about the bombing in London

by homesteader in

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friends

my brother who is a jw (who i helped into the religion when i was a dub) came to my house this morning this morning while we were having breakfast.

the first thing out of his mouth was the bombing in london and how this is the worst bombing since ww11.

then he made the comment "i wonder what this is going to lead to.

dorayakii

Awfulize is a very good new coined word that captures exactly what she means.
This is a continuation of a great tradition. Why do you think english has such a huge vocabulary?
William Shakespeare made up many words which are now accepted as part of the language. I can' t SHARK UP any examples right now.
Your reaction smacks of snobbery.
Who is "bloody Nora"?

It really is amazing. Comparing Shakespeare to this made-up word, lol.

When Shakespeare coined new words he used existing roots and combined them in set rules. Words like sanctimonious, fashionable, bedazzle, inauspicious, lustrous, outbreak, archvillain, dauntless, unearthly and lonely have all been attributed to Shakespeare. He must have known a little about his own language in order to coin these words, he didn't just invent words on a whim.

There is a reason why "awfulize" sounds odd to some people, and they may not be able to put their finger on it. The reason is because the two parts of the word are not in a common linguistic category.

I'm NOT saying that "awfulize" is not a valid word as long as enough people know what it means, but its just not comparable to Shakespeare. However, i think i'll stop hijackizing this thread, terriblizing on this unimportizatory matter and go back to focusizing on this captivatizing thread.

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JW brother stopped by to awfulize about the bombing in London

by homesteader in

jw
friends

my brother who is a jw (who i helped into the religion when i was a dub) came to my house this morning this morning while we were having breakfast.

the first thing out of his mouth was the bombing in london and how this is the worst bombing since ww11.

then he made the comment "i wonder what this is going to lead to.

dorayakii

Awfulize

ROFLMAO.... that word really is AWFUL sounding...

I'm all for language evolution and improvement, but the Latin suffix "-ize" just doesn't sit well aesthetically with that Anglo-Saxon word... I prefer the word "c atastrophize", now THAT'S a word.... "Awfulize" just doesn't seem to have any stable etymological or semantic link to the word "awful".

Coming back to the point of the thread, we all know that JWs are tacitly trained to look for any "prophetic significance" in world events. Any real compassion they may have for the victims is hidden underneath layers and layers of self-absorbed ego-centrism and fake concern. They are hypocrites, no two ways about it.

("hypocrisy": from Greek hypokrisis: "acting on the stage, pretense, playing a part"... "hypo-krinesthai" literally "to shift under")

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Five Little Monkeys (witnesses) a nursery rhyme dedicated to my JWD Friends

by Netty in

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five little monkeys witnesses.

five little jw's walking down the street.

one fell down and broke both her feet.

dorayakii

BRAVO... i loved it... you really are talented Netty...

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About to get df'd(?) need suggestions.

by Insomniac in

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friends

so, here's the skinny:.

i haven't been to a meeting in over two years.

i haven't been in service since i can't remember when.

dorayakii

Sorry to hear the news !!

I would give anything to fade away quietly from this nightmare instead of being caught up in scandal then shunned and treated like a non-person.... if the elders had forgotten all about me i wouldn't want to remind them...

... but i suppose everyone deals with things in their own way...