Posts by Balsam

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This reminds me of two elderly sisters who born about 1910 and both had spent years and years pioneering. They never had children but did marry when they were on up in age. As they were dying in the nursing homes of a shared blood disease they both asked how it was this system of things was still going on. I remember saying to them "We're waiting on Jehovah" and you know both of them said I wonder if we were wrong???? Wouldn't it be terrible to feel this at the very end of your life spending your entire life waiting for something that never came. It is sad for those who cling to it.

Balsam

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I just can't do anymore right now....

by GrandmaJones in

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i am constantly reading, studying, looking up more stuff on the internet, perusing old threads, keeping up with "new light" on jwn.

i am in the middle of "in search of christian freedom" (having just finished steve's cultmind control book) and i am finding it so argumentive doctrinally that my head is spinning.

i found myself this evening with my laptop next to my desktop (all the better to reference back and forth, m'dear) the wt library cd-rom open to "the modern history of jehovah's witnesses" in twenty four parts, with a plethera of "rainbow" books open for easy reference while i was listening to an old fred franz discourse at dodgers stadium!!!!!!!!!!!!.

Balsam

Grandma Jones,

Lots of us have done the very same thing you are doing, and it is perfectly normal to feel such shock and overload. Sometimes you just have to back off and quit thinking about it if you can and chill. You can always come back to it once you feel refreshed and ready to digest more.

Balsam

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George Washingtons 1789 Thanksgiving Proclamation

by Yizuman in

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americas thanksgiving the historical foundation.

george washingtons 1789 thanksgiving proclamation.

quote:whereas it is the duty of all nations to acknowledge the providence of almighty god, to obey his will, to be grateful for his benefits, and humbly to implore his protection and favor; and whereas both houses of congress have, by their joint committee, requested me to recommend to the people of the united states a day of public thanksgiving and prayer, to be observed by acknowledging with grateful hearts the many and signal favors of almighty god, especially by affording them an opportunity peaceably to establish a form of government for their safety and happiness:.

Balsam

Wow that is interesting. Very religious in content, all the while killing and running off the Native Americans from their own homes and lands. When you think of it that is pretty twisted, considering thousands of black Africans were caught and sold into slavery. Obviously these words of George Washington only applied to white society. Really shows how religious thought is not all inclusive of all humans when you think about it.

Balsam

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Bombshell: Is the AJWRB for real?

by Nickolas in

it appears, from my recent visit to www.ajwrb.org that there is an underground group of practising jehovah's witnesses who are seeking to change current blood doctrine.

they call themselves the associtated jehovah's witnesses for reform on blood, or the ajwrb.

does this group actually exist?

Balsam

Nickolas,

It was decided not to persue another sister group to the JW's, as we investigated the teachings of JW's we all gradually realized this would be futile pursuit. It has been left to each of us individually how we would deal with being out if we are.

There were some active ones in AJWRB, but their identity is kept very secret to protect them from being disfellowshipped. Some of the Elders from various HLC have joined us but it has tedious trying to keep their identity protected. They feel they can do greater work of helping other by remaining in the witnesses and some of them have active family members they are trying to protect & help by remaining in.

Trust that we are trying our best to get the information out concerning blood and the WTS misconceptions. I've been on radio a couple of times talking about AJWRB and my volunteer work to help others who write me though emails to figure out if the Society has been deceiving them. Another thing is that we are not paid, we are volunteers and we do this to help save JW's lives. We appreciate any contributions people make to keep our web-site up and running. Thanks for your interest in AJWRB.ORG we work hard to educates the JW's, medical people, and the general public.

Sincerely,

Balsam aka Mary at AJWRB.ORG

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Bombshell: Is the AJWRB for real?

by Nickolas in

it appears, from my recent visit to www.ajwrb.org that there is an underground group of practising jehovah's witnesses who are seeking to change current blood doctrine.

they call themselves the associtated jehovah's witnesses for reform on blood, or the ajwrb.

does this group actually exist?

Balsam

Nickolas,

I am Mary, my son's and our story is told on AJWRB.ORG. I was a JW for 30 years. Like most of us on AJWRB we were active JW's but in time all of us faded, disf'ed or dis'assoced evenutally. I assure you we are all real people and all of us have been very active JW's at one time. Randy Watters has taken over AJWRB.ORG for Lee Elder because of poor health.

When I came on AJWRB I had to conceal my idenity to protect my sons from harrassment by the Elders because of my speaking out about the blood policy. Today I don't care who knows. Feel free to ask me any questions you might have. My son Dak McGill died at 15 as a result of an auto accident and my chidlren's father refusing blood transfusion to save him. You can read about him at: http://www.mem.com/ContentDisplay.aspx?ID=4047091

Sincerely,

Ruth Baker aka [email protected]

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This is scary we are to put the GB in the same place as Jesus according to the Dec 15 WT

by life is to short in

i do not know how to scan the wt if someone can it would be great but i wrote it out verbatim .

i think what the wt says speaks for its self.

am i missing something and or reading something into what they are saying.

Balsam

Really shows how messed up the translation of the JW is. They literally give themselves authority that only belongs to Christ according to the NT.

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NEED HELP ASAP

by BoomTown in

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my wife is bitter towards the organization right now and is finally willing to talk about flaws without her shutting down.

what is the easiest way to prove the witnesses don't have the "the single truth" of the bible?.

today i said to her, "you are probably worried about leaving because you think "what if they are right and armageddon comes.

Balsam

Does your wife enjoy reading???? Some books by a woman biblical scholar might be interesting to her. She has several if you go on Amazon.com and look. Elain Pagels or Karen L. King are good ones to start with.

When I first left but was unsure of the WTS actually being a source of truth I started reading books by biblical scholars. I realized that there were never any real biblical scholars in the JW's.

Ruth

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New here..

by breakfree in

just wanted to introduce myself.

i've been reading your posts for a couple of months now and i think i finally have the courage to join in.

i have written and deleted this post many times.

Balsam

Breakfree,

Welcome to the forum, my sons and have been out 9 years now. I know what your talking about when it comes to JC talking to minors. No child should ever be left with a JC without a parent in the room. Their questions to you are just shocking, dumb idiots. I've heard the do that but it is none of the business. I'm glad you've gotten free and your kids are free. I've seen so many teenagers suffer terribly from the actions and behavior of Elders and their parents. It's against the law to kick a kid out of the house before age 18.

Read my profile.

Hugs,

Ruth

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anyone ever have a book burning?

by Evidently Apostate in

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tossed most of the jw books i had in the burn pit the other day.

it was quite relaxing.

Balsam

As a symbol of freedom my son and I had a bible burning when we went camping some years ago. It felt good and a symbol of being free. I've kept some of the book, but find I do little or no research anymore.

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I HATE this religion

by brotherdan in

so today was my first sunday meeting that i didn't go with my wife.

as an update she has decided not to move out right now...because she doesn't have anywhere to go.

but she is giving me the silent treatment.

Balsam

That is a great clip, funny and right on. I remember seeing that movie and thinking that is so JW like.

I think the hardest thing about being a JW is realizing that the love is conditional. If we don't toe the line our loved ones quickly turn their backs on us. It happens to spouses, parents, kids, grandparents literally. It is best to keep your expectations low, be kind but don't count on it working with your wife.

When I turned away from the religion after my husband (now ex-husband) and I lost our 15 year old son as a result of an auto accident and refusing blood transfusion for him, the father of my children accused me of being demonized when I told him I was done. I spent 30 years with that man and in that moment I realized he didn't even know me and I didn't know him. His behavior shocked me.

I feel for you know your in a tough situation.