tonight on the service meeting we discussed why jws are not false prophets.
of the ten minute part two were spent discussing that jws just had wrong expectations and only very minor changes over the years although nothing specific was mentioned.
the other eight focused on the core bible truths that have remained the same over the years.
They say they are not false prophets.
Then they say they made no claim to be prophets at all. Sorry: a prophet claims to speak for Jehovah. If they are not prophets then they are not speaking for Jehovah - SO WHY WOULD ANYBODY BOTHER TO LISTEN TO THEM?
HB
so, service meeting last night.
bro handling the "false prophet" part was notably disturbed.
every time he spoke of previous "expectations" his body language was like "oh my god, can you believe i'm saying this?
Yet Freddie and Boozie R claimed that jehovah , as editor of the litterature, put his ideas and new understanding into the minds of his "slave."
Even the Revelation (anti)Climax book says that the annointed resurrected after 1918 have a part in transmoitting new understanding to the BOrg in our day. They havent done a very good job have they?
There is also an implied claim to be prophets in a 1979 - 80 Awake on alien life.
After discussing the ideas on this, they say that there cannot be any alien life forms on other planets, because the "slave has not heard about this" and Jehovah will not do anything unless he informs his servants the prophets. (THEM in other words)
HB
if one of the meanings of the name lucifer, is morning star, can someone please explain to me the last line in revelation 22:16?.
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Cold Steel -
The Israelites were in Egypt for nearly 500 years. The Egyptians were very noble sophisticated just and merciful. That's where the Israelites got these values. Just like they stole Babylonian Myths and made them their own.
Read about Egypt. Parts of Proverbs are just lifted from Egyptian sacred texts. Even the idea of a day of rest was Egyptian. Resurrection was an Egyptian concept long before Moses compiled (stole) the writings he and others used.
I find it most amusing that you point to the Jewish Law as soo wonderful. The rest of the civilised world worked out for themselves that lying, murder, cheating, stealing, adultery and covetousness were evil, for centuries - yet the Hebrews needed God to tell them, in 1513 BC!! And of course there is no Egyptian Law that forces a rape victim to marry her attacker as long as her father is given money.
YHWH appears to be a homicidal psychopath if Joshua, Judges and parts of the Pentateuch are true. Genocide on a scale that makes Hitler look like St Francis of Assisi. (Do a body count from the scriptures)
HB
it isn't much, only a small piece on page 23 of sunday's sun newspaper .
for our colonial cousins the sun is a highbrow , well respected national daily newspaper , well national daily anyway .
on sunday it printed a small article about what it describes as a jehovah's witness paedophile whose sex crimes had been hushed up by his church .
The TIMES is read by the people who run the country.
The DAILY MAIL is read by people who want to run the country.
The SUN is read by people who don't care who runs the country, as long as they have big boobies.
years ago you read my horror stories about being raped by a jw.
i was nine years old when this took place, now the man has been getting all his works in order.
what do i do to stop the seventy-year old pedophile from getting his position back?
JR Brown is talking with a forked weasel tongue:
Beth Hell decides if the congo a pedophile moves to is to be informed or not. If the new elduhs are not told of the crime, how can they take great care to protect the children before they appoint him?
They have the power to decide if somebody is a "KNOWN" pedo in the new congregation.
Yet smoking and drinking info is passed straight along with no problems.
HB
i got a really lengthy pm from a poster i don't know, scolding me for saying there is a difference between rape and religious abuse.
i recently had a conversation with someone who says eating oysters is vegetarian.
when i pointed out it isn't, the person said we all have different definitions of vegetarian.
Strange isnt it - The Witchtower will call a life saving, court ordered transfusion RAPE, yet a child being molested is a kid being sexy and seductive.
See the thread on a pedo being appointed an elder. The WTBTS has redefined the word "KNOWN" as in "no known pedophile" can be appointed.
Everybody in the congo may know, but they decide he is not "known".
HB
i got a really lengthy pm from a poster i don't know, scolding me for saying there is a difference between rape and religious abuse.
i recently had a conversation with someone who says eating oysters is vegetarian.
when i pointed out it isn't, the person said we all have different definitions of vegetarian.
Strange isnt it - The Witchtower will call a life saving, court ordered transfusion RAPE, yet a child being molested is a kid being sexy and seductive.
See the thread on a pedo being appointed an elder. The WTBTS has redefined the word "KNOWN" as in "no known pedophile" can be appointed.
Everybody in the congo may know, but they decide he is not "known".
HB
years ago you read my horror stories about being raped by a jw.
i was nine years old when this took place, now the man has been getting all his works in order.
what do i do to stop the seventy-year old pedophile from getting his position back?
If you smoke, take drugs, or watch porn, the elders are instructed to inform the new congo the sinner moved to, even if he was repentant.
If he is a pedo, the elders have to write to Beth Hell, and THEY decide whether to inform the new congo.
Only a KNOWN pedophile is barred from being appointed. Bethel decides if he is a "known" pedo, not the victims and others who know about it.
Honey, they will come after you with all the venom in their shrivelled evil hearts. You have nothing to lose:
SCREAM IT FROM THE ROOFTOPS. Tell everybody, write to the media, showing how their claim never to appoint known molestors is a LIE.
Find new friends who will support you, not shun you when you are put out to dry.
If you didnt report it to the police DO SO NOW.
HB
in my old congregation, everyone seems clean.
mostly chaste courtship, kingdom hall wedding, blah blah.. well there are lots of cases of fondling but they were soon forgotton.
when my husband and i confessed to sex before marriage, the elders were disgusted.
Of course it is no more prevalent than masturbation -
And the Society knows that NOBODY does this at all very often: then they go to the elduhs who say God will forgive them, as long as they were not looking at boobie mags at the time or indulging in depraved fantasies.
Unlawful sex and masturbation are now both DF offences, so people keep their mouth SHUT.
i believe the gb has typically been an odd group of men.
this new batch, the faithful and discreet slave seem very impressed with themselves....like they are modern day apostles or something....or maybe it's just me..
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